
Tonight ladies and gentleman we are in for a special treat as I give the floor over to a brave woman Becca Friedman. In fairness I would like to publicly state that I offer in good faith the same courtesy to any other person, rebel or loyalist who wishes to speak their mind in this open forum. This includes, but is not limited to Clare and Sara Bronfman, Keith Raniere , Crazy Nurse Nancy, Kristin Kreuk, Steve”The Man” COFFEY the Poitier sisters, the guy who follows me around, Saddam Hussein’s grandchildren or Chinny Bird my third grade teacher.
And now let’s hear it for Becca Friedman unplugged.
In early Spring of 2006, I remember hearing that Nancy Salzman had
extremely painful lymph nodes and she was recieving an EM a day from
Raniere as a cure. Once in the cafe she said she was 'not such an angry
bitch anymore' in reference to the EMs. I was taking her Parenting
Intensive at the time, and she was looking very old and run down and
kind of bloated. At V-Week August, 2006 she was trim and happy looking.
She told us, at one of her forums, that she had been sick but that she
had been seeing her doctor, the same doc as the Dalia Lama's and he
gave her little pellets that tasted like dirt.
V-Week included a coffee talk with Nancy who told us a very detailed
story of how she went from a sad, lonely, angry, single parent to
working with Keith. Coffee talks to me always meant cozy couches and
women talking as a group. Not this one. Salzman sat on a raised podium,
complete with cameras, lighting and strategically placed tall flowers.
The higher-ups were really uptight about making sure she looked
amazing, and they kept fiddling with the plants, the tablecloth
covering the table, etc. At one point a humming bird flew into the room
through the opened door and Suzanne Kemp, later condemned for having
breast cancer and basically scorned from the group, very gently and
quietly led the little bird out by holding a plant in front of it. At
this talk Nancy told us all about how she came to be where she was. I
don't remember the story word for word but it was quite a story. And
long. She loves attention. She was divorced with two young kids at the
time that she met KR. I think she was an expert in NLP and had been
working with another motivational speaker and traveling the world to
give lectures. She remembered noticing that people would leave feeling
euphoric and then come back a couple months later with the same
problems. And she wanted to find permanent solutions for people. People
in Albany kept telling her she needed to meet Raniere, 'the smartest
man in the world.' So she finally agreed. He was working at a health
food store, she said, and when she went in she saw this young guy in
sweatpants restocking the shelves and later, when she found out it was
him, she just couldn't believe it. She said they talked for hours
non-stop, and I think he sold her some vitamins - not sure on that
part. She went back the next day and they talked more. And then again.
She just couldn't believe how smart he was. She told him how she really
wanted to help human being make permanent change and he told her he
knew how. That he had the answer and did she want to know it. And, of
course, she said yes. I think he didn't show her at first. I think
another day went by bc I remember her saying she kept saying she wanted
to see it. So finally he showed her his notes on what was to become the
first Ethos class in NXIVM - Communication/At Cause. She was pretty
blown away. She started giving improvement lectures to big companies -
there was one, maybe NASA, where she had to go through a security check
and she told us they always checked the 13th person, (or some specific
number), and she was ALWAYS that number. So then it gets a little
weird, because I remember her saying that she would be giving her
lecture to these companies and they would ask her a question and she
would excuse herself and go to the bathroom and call Raniere bc she
didn't know the answer. He would give her the answer and then she would
go back to the room and tell the Suits the answer. And then! She talked
about how sometimes she would go to the bathroom and cry and call
Raniere and tell him something like 'I just can't do this anymore.' And
he would tell her to come over for dinner. A bunch of people were at
those meals, but the only one I know for sure of was Pam Cafritz. I
would imagine Karen Unterreiner and Barbara Jeske were there, as well.
And Nancy said she would eat and then curl up under the table and cry
and say she just wanted to quit her life. That she just couldn't keep
doing it, etc. Now! Before all you angry readers start passing
judgement let me tell you this: She was crying because he was ripping
her apart with his Jesus like smile on his face and she just didn't
have a freaking clue. I can relate - to an extent. I mean her
Self-Esteem was nil. She was unhappy. Unfulfilled. She said she wasn't
a very good Mom at the time. So in her personal life she felt empty.
Let me make something else clear: When she told this story it was
riddled with NLP language, used in such a way that you didn't really
question what she was saying. So she cried under the table - well that
just means she was going through the growing pains that come with
serious personal growth. She wrapped up the story by saying in the end
she did quit her life and she and Raniere began working together to
create what we were experiencing now: NXIVM. Then she got teary and
said she felt like we were all so close and had grown and learned so
much that she wasn't sure she fit in anymore. Then she invited all of
us to 'quit out lives' and create the life we wanted. That part really
resonated with me.
I think in that same forum, Salzman also introduced us to her brand new
Origins class - Jness, an all womens' group. She invited all of us to try out the first class during V-Week and if we liked it we could sign
up for the weekend seminar later on. I went and it was basically Nancy
sitting in front of the room talking about the importance of being a
woman. We were given a list of questions to discuss and instructed to
break into groups. No one seemed to understand the questions, which
Nancy and Sara Bronfman seemed to find amusing upon the group
regathering. I found the entire class to be wicked boring and totally
disengaging.
We had a Jness intro meeting at New World Cooking in Saugerties in
April, I think, of 2007. Barbara Jeske was there and she told the
entire story of adopting Gayelin at that gathering. She attributed her
emotional strength of adopting a baby at her age to what she had
learned about herself through Jness.
Esther Chiappone and Barbara Jeske both told me later that that Jness
class at V-Week was a trial run and both strongly encouraged me to
enroll in the weekend seminar. I can't remember how much it was or
when, but it was a good chunk of change. The goal with Jness was to
enroll as many as women as possible within and outside of NXIVM. To buy
homes throughout the state, that were specifically used for Jness,
where women could gather and talk and eat and sleep. Jeske wanted me to
cover the Woodstock territory and help enroll Hudson Valley women. I
signed up for the class and it was a real waste of time. The curriculum
was boring and most of it didn't resonate with me. I remember feeling
very upset about that, like I had failed. Like I had let Esther down,
because she had guaranteed I would feel so different afterward. The
group was reconvening after a break, and Salzman was already sitting in
her armchair, at the front of the room - most of us were sitting on the
floor in front of her. I guess people were taking too long to settle
down, and she said in this super self-righteous, somewhat bored tone:
I'm ready to start when you are. It was a total turn off. At one point
I asked Salzman a question and when she gave me honest feedback in
front of the class, I sheepishly took it because it was the truth and
it hurt. Later she brought it back up and turned to her high-striped
groupies, who were all sitting off to the side, saying something like,
"I felt like when I gave her that feedback her response was
self-righteous. Didn't you think that?" And then she did a kind of
quick imitation of how I had responded with body language. It was awful
and untrue and I could tell that most of her groupies really didn't
know what she was talking about but agreed nonetheless. During this
seminar Salzman also talked about how men become attracted to their
daughters when they hit teenage-hood, because the kids look so much
like their mothers. This was totally disgusting and really turned a lot
of people off. Most of us could not understand what she was talking
about, why and what it had to do with feeling empowered as a woman. At
the end of the weekend I was leaving and Siobhan Hotaling, a higher-up,
asked me what I thought and I told her that I felt like I had failed
because I hadn't gotten anything out of it and didn't feel any
different. And she brightly told me, "Well, maybe that's because you
don't really like yourself," and then breezed into the bathroom.
Higher-ups often gave devastating feedback in this manner. The next
day, at home, I made a mistake in my job and just completely lost it. I
was crying uncontrollably and, so of course, I talked to Esther. Who
else but a NXIVM member would be able to help?
I took a Parenting origins class, as well. Esther Chiappone highly
recommended it and, at that time, I really followed all of her
recommendations bc she embodied, I believed, so many qualities I
admired and strove for. I think I took Parenting for 6-7 months. The
first four classes were good and down to earth. We learned about why
our kids push our buttons, talked about control and how we feel like
our kids reflect us so we have a real vested interest in what they say
and do. Then the topics got harder to follow. I mentioned this to
Esther and she said that the class was really geared for 'higher-ups,'
and that I was allowed in bc Nancy saw my potential. At one point
during break-off groups, Ed Kinum gave me an EM which resulted in me
questioning if I was a good person, or mean and selfish. Instead of
sleeping over in Albany, which I typically did, I left early and drove
home, wanting to be close to Adam. I think in my last Parenting where
the topic was: Does Santa Claus really exist, I was the ONLY one who
insisted vocally, anyway, that he was just a made-up mythological
character. And who would want to believe that some guy playing dress up
could sneak into your house at night? Salzman's response basically
implied that it was my own baggage getting in the way of seeing the
truth, which was that if enough people believed something was true then
it was.
Since writing this, I have learned that the story Nancy Salzman told us
about meeting Raniere and quitting her life was pretty much a
fabrication. A friend in the know told me that she had asked Nancy for
help regarding Raniere because he was really causing this friend a lot
of grief and upset. Nancy met with Raniere and told this friend he was
a sociopath and that she would try to help. Instead she diappaeard into
the co-op, I think, for four days where he kept her up and talking the
entire time and when she emerged she was utterly brainwashed. That
friend can speak to this if she wants and I know another person on this
board knows way more than I do, as well.

46 comments:
Becca Friedman is a remarkable person, no small part of it being unashamed of who she is. In these days of Rosh Hashanah, I wish her peace and love always.
Our host John is another honorable spirit who has no shame about his name, his beliefs, or his deeds. Between the two of them, they have chosen to take pride in their thoughts and their names. And they accept the risks without fear.
May they someday... somewhere... somehow... may they inspire you readers to step out of the dark shadows of anonymity.
-Kyle York
American by Birth...
...with that "John Hancock" thing.
Bless you Becca.
"JT"? Sucha Putz. And your dog Toto too!
To bring these people down, we need info on things like tax evasion, money laundering, fraud, harrasment, details on pyramid schemes, and so on.
I encouage Becca and others to start offering up that kind of info.
Yes, the tales of the wackiness is entertaining, but we are past the Entertain Us stage. We want constructive action, the downfall of nxivm and its lunatics.
Becca, can you help with that?
Seriously, who buys in this crap? What a bunch of strange people. Becca, I appreciate your honesty and courage to speak the truth. A lot of times people think the grass is greener on the other side. It seems like you had a good husband, and great kids, but were just in a period where you felt misplaced and unsatisfied, and strayed way off the beaten path, but found your way back home. Believe me, if you have a good family, i.e. a loving spouse and good children, there are few things, if any at all, that could ever take their place.
You go girl ...yup I would be happy to speak about Nancy's first meeting with Keith, Keith stocking shelves ..that's as funny as he only sleeps 3 to 4 hours a night ..I think I have found true spirits of the truth ...I am proud of you Becca and happy to have you as one of the stronge voices with nothing to hide, ready and willing to help peeling back more of thoses layers of the rotten onion...and John what can I say about you but your my hero... How many people can we get to use there name. It time to stand up and share are stories, one can be dismissed (trust me I no) maybe 2 or even 3, but 4,5,6 its like a snowball rolling down a hill growing in size and picking up speed. Post proudly use your name ..tell your story..help then all understand what they are really part of ....much more to come, great job Becca, keep up the good work...t
Nancy will be the one to bring raniere down. She is not gong to take the FALL for Raniere's shit like the white trash bitches.
Keefe and all the other women will go along with raniere, but when the feds come...salzman will figure out right from wrong.
Esther you can be the one to help. What have they really done for you? You worked hard and in the end they left you out in the cold.
An EM doesn't pay the bills.
Are you really happy being part of it all?
Keith left you high and dry. Nancy is a pretend friend. Karen, Pam, Barb could care less as long as they get a piece once in a while. Is Jim a life partner or a bed toy who really isn't interested in listening to you?
Please consider this... You are powerful. Which side would you rather be on when the walls crumble. You are strong.
To Toni and Now Here This - thanks so much for your support! And Toni, def re-tell the true version of that story!
To Anon #1 - My family does rock, thanks! :)
To Anon #2 - I completely agree. Salzman def has a shrewdness about her and a steel core that the others seem to lack. She'll turn state's evidence when push comes to shove.
To Cult Buster - I don't share this info to be entertaining. I share it bc we want to paint a whole picture not just pieces. I agree that documented evidence is equally important, and to that end I am working on a good lead with potentially extremely incriminating evidence.
"If enough people believe something is true it was" is the way they put their lies out there. The want people to believe the bs in the lawsuits that they have made up...and ...if they say it with money behind it and strong enough and enough times it will be true.
This blog is the karma of that...not everything here is true but most is. The payback for their aggression towards people they want to shut up is going to be more than painful. Sociopaths don't feel though and will not stop.
So...all you Espians who don't like what is going on? Mobius was to shut you up BUT Keith will not stop until he feels he has destroyed Barbara and those who have inside info on him.
He is the master of illusion.
"How could someone who created such beauty as Mobius be capable of being evil." First it was a knock off of all the new higher consciousness teachings out there today and second because he knows what to do to PULL you in and make you believe someone is a "criminal", a "suppressive".
Let's hold up that mirror for him shall we...
For those outside NXIVM, Mobius was the intensive Keith 'created', and I say that lightly, when the shit hit the fan with the blog and lawsuits. He needed money and to hold on to his rich followers. The intensive was the most expensive one yet and drew people from all over the globe to hear about loving yourself. As Becca said you can buy a book for $12.95 and have the same result and save yourself $10,000.
People like Becca usually don't have knowledge of the inside goings on and the money trail. It is going to take someone very close to Keith to get that. I bet not even the board knows all the info.
I wonder who will crumble when the feds do come. They are circling.
Not so sure Nancy will cave in and tell all. I read her deposition on Rick Ross' site and she can be highly deceptive, although I am sure her counsel coached her well and prepared her for the deposition. That said I do hope I am wrong and she will be the downfall of Raniere.
I am relatively new at following NXIVM and I must admit I am fascinated. As a scientist, I've always been interested in charlatans who claim "scientific principals" as part of the path to enlightenment they pitch as snake oil disguised as "technology". I first got interested in studying these types when I stumbled on Scientology back in the late 1970's and since have become a self proclaimed expert in that cult. The parallels with Rainier are striking and can not be coincidental. Even some of the invented terminology and adaptations of English grammer (adding "-ism" to many words. There are so many other similarities that clearly demonstrate Raniere has stolen almost all of his methodology from L.Ron Hubbard's warped mind. Rainiere clearly stumbled on some of Hubbard's writings, particularly much of his earliest drivel.
I am rather surprised Raniere hasn't tried to play the religion angle which might be expected to shield him from both tax liabilities as well as other legal scrutiny and litigation. He might still take that route.
I can provide much in terms of references regarding Scientology's warped "doctrine" to demonstrate how much Raniere has borrowed. I am also rather amazed Scientology has not pursued legal action against NXIVM and Raniere/Salzman. Raniere seems to have stolen Scientology's legal strategy of haraassment to silence critics and defectors.
In any event, I look forward to additional information regarding this cult living literally in my back yard.
Cult Buster:
On one hand, I'm with you 100%. Stories of NXIVM weirdness and the way they mindfuck people are compelling, but sadly, it's not illegal to mindfuck people. And I'm anxious to see them stopped in a HURRY for the sake of the child who belongs to Jeske. I mean Keefe. I mean Raniere. I mean five nannies. I mean Keefe. ?
On the other hand, I can see how stories like Becca shared, and how she shared it without shame, WILL help others more easily open up and take those first steps towards doing the right thing.
I can't imagine how hard it can be for those who come forward. Just look at this blog...when Becca's TU article came out, there were many comments in the vein of 'what kind of moron believes this load of shit?' And many of those commenters would then say that they support and thank Becca!!
People like Becca are made to feel that they've betrayed humanity when they leave NXIVM...then, they are made to feel like suckers and fools when they tell their story. GodDAMN, I would hate to be in their shoes.
To step forward publicly and ADMIT that you were conned is an exceedingly difficult thing for anyone to do. Becca is not only being brave in terms of possibly facing harassment from NXIVM...she's also being incredibly brave simply by raising her hand and saying 'yup...I was duped, hook line and sinker.'
There are many former nxians who left because they weren't comfortable with the shady acts of leadership, or with the manipulation that goes on, or whatever. But those same people will STILL defend the principles and ideology of NXIVM because it is so deeply embarrassing to admit to themselves that they were sucked in by an un-original new-age feelgood pyramid scheme cult led by a shameless huckster.
It's hard to be patient, but that onion has a lot of layers. Once we get past these stories of manipulation and deception, the stories of illegal acts will start coming.
Also, I suspect that if people are coming forth with information about illegal acts, they are bringing that info to the authorities, rather than to a public forum such as this.
Wait, what do you mean there's no Santa Claus?
I've seen him. He lives near Saratoga and drives a Mitsubishi Spyder instead of a sleigh. His cheeks are like roses, his nose like a cherry. He has a team of elves who carry his giant balls around for him.
And oh boy, he's got one hell of a list of who's naughty or nice!
Please, make no mistake about my admiration for Ms Becca F.
BULLSHIT ALERT…BULLSHIT ALERT!!!!!!!!
WE INTERRUPT THIS BLOG TO LET YOU KNOW THAT VANGUARD, THE LEGEND-IN-HIS-OWN-MIND LEADER OF NXIVM AND ALL THAT IS ETHICAL, IS APPARENTLY CONTINUING TO EXPAND HIS ATHETIC SKILLS. ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTION NOW POSTED AT http://www.ethicalhumanitarian.com/keith_raniere.phpLETIC , KEITH NOW EXCELS AT DIVING, SKIING, SOFTBALL, TABLE TENNIS, AND TENNIS (THIS IS IN ADDITION TO HIS PREVIOUSLY NOTED MASTERY OF CYCLING, JUDO, SPRINTING AND, OF COURSE, VOLLEYBALL).
IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THIS GUY SOUND LIKE A 14 YEAR OLD NERD WHO IS MAKING THINGS UP TO IMPRESS HIS FIRST DATE? ODDLY ENOUGH, THAT’S SUPPOSEDLY ABOUT THE SAME AGE HE WAS WHEN HIS SEPARATED, ALCOHOLIC MOMMY FIRST STARTED INSISTING THAT HE SPEND THE NIGHT IN HER BED. MAYBE HIS EVOLUTION SIMPLY STOPPED THEN????
Keith not only excels at sports, but he also has filed a patent for what he calls an "Athletic Course Covering System."
Check it out, and be sure to take a look at Drawing #2, which shows two 'athletes' running through this amazing indoor athletic structure. Those 'athletes' bear a striking resemblance to Keith and Nancy, except in the drawing, Keith is taller.
Absolutely fucking hysterical.
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=Ln6mAAAAEBAJ
This just get more f-ing up about what those snakes are doing to people!
Im glad that you, Becca, are showing former NXIVMs and maybe people inside of that organization who are wanting to leave that there is no shame or the BS that rat-man have you believing. There is salvation when the truth comes out.
Raniere is just a superman.
Those long arms sure can swing that tennis racquet ~~
My question is who is he trying to fool with his b.s.
Is one of the requirements to be inducted into NXIVM a low fucking iq test
who falls for this little mans b.s
He's been exposed time and time again.
Usually people who are really really smart don't advertise it out.
It's something they keep to themselves as it's not that big of a deal.
This guy is like a little kid jumping up and down trying to impress his over 60 crowd.
Pathethic, disguisting little piece of shit of a human being. I hope he gets exposed nationally and internationally asap.
Fuck you Mr. VanFraud
Sooper Jeenyus: I'm pretty sure Keith will never be granted a patent for his running tunnel. It was "invented" by too many people before him.
Gotta love the sense of humor of Keith's patent attorneys for sending in a patent with pictures like that. :D
Even more amusing than the running tunnel, is his "invention" of his own money system:
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=IIqaAAAAEBAJ&dq=raniere+exchange
His patent attorneys are laughing all the way to the bank at $309-400 per billable hour. If only Raniere could see how stupid he really is and what an embarrassment he is. I have a lot of experience in IP and patents, and his patent on Rational Inquiry is a classic of sham patents. He only holds it because no one has challenged it and no one ever will - it is nonsense in every one of it's claims. I sure wish I was a patent attorney so I could get some of that easy money from this Thomas Edison wannabe. Someone should tell him that to be a valid patent, an invention must:
1. Have use
2. Not been done before
3. Is not obvious to someone of average skill in the art.
Raniere's inventions fail on all three points.
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Thaks alot Becca for your post.
The most I learn about NXIVM and the people involved at a different level in, the most I feel compassion and sorrow. But the more my childish point of view is vanishing.
Maybe Raniere creates these patents to show his followers how smart he is and possibly use them to get loans and secure them with his patents. Now we all know 1. the patents are worthless but to a non suspecting person who doesn't read this blog and doesn't know about Raniere's tricks...they may think that he really has a high iq and that these worthless patents are actually worth something.
So it makes perfect sense and is totally consistent with Raniere's "give me something now and I promise you something later but will never deliver it to you" Something he doesn't have a module for unforunatly.
He actually reminds me of old popeye movies when the hamburger guy always promises to give you something in the future for a hamburger today.
That's Raniere's biggest trick. He finds out what you want and what is important to you. He uses the EM and other methods of getting this information from you. Then he makes future promises that if you listed or do what he wants today that at some point in the future you will get via his help something that is very important to you.
However, Raniere won't ever give you anything. He doesn't know how to. He will only take and take and take till you have nothing else. Not your mind, your money your soul, everything. He is a fucking vampire who suck you dry.
If someone is reading this who is enrolled in NXIVM just look at Raniere's past. What has he given to anyone or done for anyone other than cause bankruptcys.
He promises fame, fortune, careers, businesses but has anyone I mean anyone recieved anything from him. Kristin Keefe is no lawyer and the Acappela group didn't get a recording contract.Jim Del Negro is still a loser and will always be a loser NXIVM didn't change that. Esther, what has raniere done for you ?
Introduce you to a loser by the name of Jim Del Negro who rapes young women in california. You did really well following the teachings of NXIVM we are all jelous.
So if anyone does any business with Raniere make sure you get what is owed to you immediatly and promise him something in the future and see how that works out for you.
We are on to you Raniere your days are numbered and I highly doubt you will find two suckers like the swinging bronfman brats who will give you everything for some illusionary feeling of important that you give them. They are only important because they have money that they give you. Without their money they would be of no value to you.
Your days of fooling people are over you little hairy scum sucking little crosseyed freak.
You have a high IQ in ripping people off and lying. A fraud, a hustler yes. A really smart business man and a leader you will never be no matter how hard you try.
I hope you have a heart attack while playing vollyball and drop dead just like your mom did from drinking. If I had a son like you I would also drink all day.
Fuck you and fuck NXIVM
Let's push hard into the NXIVM - Saratoga Politics Link...
Do we have some evidence on specifics of how NXIVM influenced/controlled Val the Mayor, Democrats for Change and Charter Change efforts?
Can we build a map of the connection that shows their efforts to turn Saratoga Springs into a NXIVM friendly power base?
Does anyone have specifics about folks from the most recent Charter Change efforts and their links to the cult? Brent Wilkes wife? Peter Martin? Others?
The Rational Inquiry "invention" is only an application. No patent office anywhere in the world has issued a patent for it. In my opinion, they never will.
What is an "EM"?
Maybe Raniere should patent his investment method. He could title the patent, "Method to Piss away $100 Million of someone else's money in commodity trading".
An EM seems to be a personal counseling session between a NXIVM higher up and a troubled member. It seems to be analogous to the technique Raniere stole from Scientology which they call "auditing" but without the fancy Radio Shack lie detector hooked up to tomato juice cans. Of course both NXIVM and Scientology charge thousands of dollars for these sessions.
EM=Emotional Mindfuck
Just us chickens:
Yes, Keith's 'currency system' is so absurd that it almost seems like he's taunting his critics or having himself a laugh.
He may not have a 240 IQ, but he certainly is able to understand basic irony.
The main illustration for the 'patent' is a fuckin' PYRAMID, with a 'Game of uncertain outcome' at the center. This illustration was drawn up by a guy who is known for pyramid schemes and compulsive gambling.
Yeah, he's gotta be fucking with people.
EM = Emotional Meaning. Basically it goes something like this:
First you sign a form saying you're well rested, not taking any drugs and you are willing to do the work for this to be an effective EM.
You: I hate the color purple
EM Facilitator: Close your eyes and think of the color purple. Where do you feel it in your body? Is it hot, cold? Is there a temperature? What color do you see? Rate each on a scale of 1-10.
You: I feel it in my stomach. It's really hot. Like a big, dense ball. I see bright red.
EM Facilitator: OK. You can open your eyes. What is your first memory of the color purple?
You: It was the color of my Mom's car. And I stood on the curb and watched her drive away when I was four. She never came back.
EM Facilitator: So she never came back. What did you make that mean?
You: That I wasn't good enough. She left because of me.
EM Facilitator: Well how do you know that? Did she tell you that?
You: No. I was always getting into trouble so I figured she got sick of me.
EM Facilitator: Well what if it had nothing to do with you?
You: idk
EM Facilitator: Well let's assume she left and it had nothing to do with you. How does that feel?
You: Different. Weird.
EM Facilitator: Well what if her leaving had nothing to do with you? What if it was all about her. Then what? (tone gets soft) Would that change how you feel about her leaving?
You: idk
EM Facilitator: OK. Well, why don't you close your eyes and go back to that time. You're standing on the curb, watching your Mom. You know she's not coming back and you know it's not about you. Maybe it's the best thing she could do for you. Maybe she needs to do it to be happy. How would that feel?
You: idk. I would still miss her. I wouldn't want her to go.
EM Facilitator: But then she'd be happy. Would you want her to stay and be unhappy?
You: no...
EM Facilitator: So what do you see now?
You: I'm waving. I'm crying. I know she's leaving but it feels different now because I know it wasn't my fault.
EM Facilitator: Good. OK. Now go back to that memory of purple. Where do you feel it in your body? Is it hot, cold? Is there a temperature? What color do you see? Rate each on a scale of 1-10.
You: I don't feel the heat in my stomach anymore. It's just a color.
EM Facilitator: Great. Now what I want you to do is keep a little journal handy and for the next week, every time you see purple, write down what ever comes up for you and if we need to, we can do another EM next week.
*This is a bare bones fictitious example. The EM Facilitator takes lot of notes, asks a ton of questions and always ends with the above assignment, as a means of testing the stimulus - in this case purple and the effect - how it made you feel, for the next week. The purpose being that you come back to NXIVM with more EM's needed on whatever came up from the last one.
EM rates varied depending on the person. Some gave them for free and the rate went all the way up to Karen Unterreiner who charged, I believe, $300.
I do not know if any of these people had any sort of degree in psychology.
@ Anonymous - can your statement re KR sleeping in his mother's bed at age 14 be proven or is it just hearsay?
@ Cult Buster - thanks!
For the record, I have never felt ashamed, duped or tricked by all of this. Frankly, it never even occurred to me to feel that way as that would have felt, to me, like a victim who is thriving on suffering. Been there, done that, got a hell of a lot more than a t-shirt.
As far as I'm concerned, I got the best of the best and got out right before it turned bad. Yes, it was a hard process on my family - which is why, had I the option of doing it again I wouldn't, but we came out of it stronger. It was simply an opportunity for growth, just as this situation is.
So, no need to compliment me for my bravery on that front, since it really required none! :)
Lastly, thank you John, for providing a venue where people can speak their mind and for stepping up every time.
Do you need a license to practice psychology if you never actually call it psychology?
Do you know kristin kreuk,becca?
@ Anonymous - not on any personal basis. I sat with her at V-Week for a seminar of some sort, but that was about it. Why do you ask?
Because supposedly Kristin Kreuk is Keiths "bed warmer" and her fans would like to know because of their obsession with her.
And let's face it, she's the most recognizable celebrity associated with NXIVM.
How much do u know of kristin kreuk`s involvement in NXIVM?
We know,her crappy bf,mark hildreth introduced her to this.
Is it too late to save her?
Please whoever who can,get kristin kreuk out of thic cult.I met her once,she seemed like a genuinely nice person
Anonymous 9:24PM, 10:22PM & 3:42AM : Did you ever heard of the Paris Syndrome (click) ?
I'm not mocking you at all : Take some distance from her [heavily processed public] image !
As "natural" make up is just a make up technique, acting her public persona as a role like one another is a part of her job, don't ever forget it or you gonna suffer a fucking delusion, man (woman) !
I don`t believe Kristin is a bed warmer for Vandick.
I think she`s just a naive girl who trusts all the wrong people
Face it groupie.KK is a insecure grade B actress on a grade C network. Who she sleeps with is pretty much irrelevant, as her 15 minutes of fame are up. Some new and younger bimbo will take her place on the next mindless show. Cheer up you can fall in love all over again.
Girl? She's almost 30.
@11:11 PM
Who's more irrelevant? The person who mocks the one who is irrelevant, or the one who is deemed to be irrelevant by the one who does the mocking? You seem more entangled by her presence than her fans. Perhaps jealousy or rejection has affected your judgment. Or perhaps you're simply an ass.
And now, investigating a little bit more about that Kreuk, I really wonder if her persona wasn't "created" by the cult itself.
It's pretty weird that since the beginning of her actually new fame, she has the same type of moralistic discourse a la NXIVM style...
Finding a book of her alleged yearbook, I find it strange that she has a so mature discourse whereas I can almost bet my ass that all their classmate wrote phonetic bable a la "Yo ! Plp I like u cuz yur 2 kool..."...
Do I have to talk about my paranoiac frenzy to my psy ?
i love kristin,it`s sad she`s dating a nutjob
I don't wanna be such a piece of crap, but ... but ... but ...
... Here I appear to you as a crow winged spectre and I scream to your face : ... On Behalf of the Supreme Being, By the Power of The Universe !!! I SET YOU FREE FROM YOUR INFATUATION AND YOUR OBSESSION, LITTLE KRISTIN KREUK FAN !!!
Then you hear the growl of a lighting, the sky opens and a flash of light touches your head... I disappear ... Then you are free !.. Yeah, it's magic !!! :D
I'm a little bit freaked off because I think you could kill just for a blowjob from her... Erm... Would you ?
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