Some background, I have attended St Peters church since my baptism. My Father also was baptized and had his funeral there. Myself and my sisters and their respective families attend 5 o’clock Mass and sit in the same pew every week. The people around us are the familiar acquaintances that only years of sharing services can create. Today we were joined unexpectedly by a stranger who arrived late and pushed in our pew to share it with us. Guess what? She was tall, thin, mid twenties with long straight hair. None had ever seen her before. I must also say that her behavior was entirely acceptable. She has as much right to join us at Mass as anyone else. I hope you join us next week and please if you are from NXIVM introduce yourself. I don’t bite. The problem is your presence made my family uneasy. I hope you can understand that.
Also if you are taking your marching orders from Keith or Nancy what is the ethical purpose to join me and my family at Church? I really don’t want to end up like Óscar Romero Archbishop of San Salvador,
Romero was shot on March 24, 1980, while celebrating Mass at a small chapel located in a hospital called "La Divina Providencia", one day after a sermon where he had called on Salvadoran soldiers, as Christians, to obey God's higher order and to stop carrying out the government's repression and violations of basic human rights. According to an audio-recording of the Mass, he was shot while elevating the chalice at the end of the Eucharistic rite. When he was shot, his blood spilled over the altar along with the contents of the chalice. Yes Keith while uneducated I am a student of history and symbolism.
I’m afraid my wife is in a somewhat less charitable mood and would like to say a few words.
"I was appalled to learn that you were willing to use violence against me to drag me into your little game. You don’t even know who I am. Before I met my husband my life was a story of poverty and surviving an abusive existence. I was married at 18 to my first husband and never had the opportunity to attend college and the wealth and privilege that you Sara and Clare experienced was beyond my imagination. I have at various times in my life been confronted by violence and I have always felt that a power greater than I was looking out for my safety. For someone who preaches peace and ethics and wants to share a stage with the Dali Lama you are certainly not living up to you principles’ I have never written a thing on this blog until tonight. Friday when my husband told me he was at the police station reporting a threat not only to himself but against me that was the last straw. I was confronted once by one of your woman who came to my door and if the women in church was sent by you I want you to know one thing. I am not afraid. We will continue to live our lives unconcerned with your petty and childish attempts at intimidation."
Joyce Tighe
Postscript to the Church encounter.
I purposely left out some details of the unknown Jane in
Other worshipers I talked to today mentioned the presence of a strange man at Mass who appeared to be wearing a fake mustache {again I am not making this up and I know it sounds ridiculous}. This man was also seen on Broadway today.
And THANK YOU
to all that have expressed your outrage at the antics of NXIVM. I don’t think you know our full backgrounds’. I lived for a time on
I guess the fact that the Bronfman’s piss away millions in the name of ethics while I know that money might do some real good along with all the misery they have caused is what infuriates me and keeps me driven

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Joyce, What is being done to you and your family is just some of what they will do to save" the community" (aka-Keith's world) their is no to far to go. Ask Rick Ross how he feel's about boats, the Snyder's, still wondering what really happened to their daughter, what did she see, or know? The girl downstate, the rat, the mole, aren't you ready to come out yet? What about the people who have left and know about the things they do? They have something on everyone, don't you get that yet? Yah, What do you really think happens in those classes, special trainings held by Nancy? How much blood needs to be spilled before your willing to pull your heads out of the sand and do something ethical? Isn't that what you were looking for in the 1st place? What will it take, how many more lives need to be destroyed by the teaching of a mad man and the people that need to protect him because of there own participation in all of the lies, not only that they tell others, but that they tell to themselves everyday. So many missing daughter's mother's, sister's, brothers, son's, who were one day part of a family looking for someway to make it better, the next, pulled apart by lies and mind games. Stepping into God house will be his biggest mistake, crossing the line in the sand, even god has a breaking point Keith, were, enough is enough. Keep up the fight John and Joyce you are changing the lives of many people. To the evil one, think back to a fall in the not so distance past, booooo is it you?
Thank you Joyce for speaking out with the inspiring spirit of your letter. It is appalling to see the ever-widening wrath of a cowardly man, using others for his game-playing with innocent citizens. I am of the theory this is an evil-man in the making. With each decision he makes, is a deeper karmic (or as he prefers to refer to... "cause & effect") hole he is digging himself into.
I also thank you for standing so steadfastly by your husband John. He is a godsend to many of us who are trying to extract ourselves from the legal tentacles of this demented man and the non-ethical community that never questions the feeble excuses of why nxivm is involved in so much litigious actions and barraged by so much negative press over the years. People are given the BullS*** it's about "upholding a value or the highest good in the world". They also like to use the word "noble" a lot to make what they are doing OK. I also at one time bought into their BS, really believing this was an ethical company. I am ashamed to have promoted this company to others. Horrified, that I too participated in bringing in my friends and innocent people to be used by this megalomaniac. I will do whatever it takes to heal the breach against the people I encouraged to join this fraudulent and destructive cult.
I am eternally grateful to you and John for being the courageous, good people you are in our world. Blessings to you both.
I think we all agree Joyce is a saint!
@8:59 They don't question it, because 1) they're either brainwashed, or 2) they are members and believe the rationalization that Raniere uses: ethical leaders of the past have been met with opposition for the work they did, but they eventually ended up victorious in the end, or 3) they are followers and are deeply involved in the core of the onion.
No one who still maintains their sanity and has a semblance of intellectual prowess would ever believe VanFraud could ever match the famous ethical leaders of the past in their accomplishments. In the infamous rarb.org thread, Deke Sharon and other members of that forum intellectually destroyed this argument among other things until NXIVM members ran away claiming "bias" like they seem to always do. It is a thread I recommend to be read by all of those who have interest in NXIVM due to those they care about being involved with this sham of an organization.
A zebra can't change its stripes, and it's obvious to anyone who still has a half-functioning brain, that Raniere is a manipulative, sexually addicted two faced con-man, who at minimum, has sociopathic tendencies, at maximum, is a sociopath, and who cares about ethics for one purpose only, and that is the gratification of his own self-interest and ego.
People of truth have nothing to hide, while frauds are their own worst enemy.
I agree with the 10:04 poster about the rarb thread. I have read it several times. It is a rare opportunity to read words written by members of nxivm, including Raniere. The a capella posters are smart and unwilling to accept anything less than full disclosure, which the nxivm posters were unwilling to do. It is fun to read the nxivm responses and "watch them squirm", so to speak. Raniere even tries to lure one of the posters into a "private" meeting so he can better explain his teachings. The guy tells him no and then pretty much tells him he made his mind up that its a cult. It really is worth the time it takes to read through it.
@ Joyce, I knew John's wife would have to be one tough woman! Well said.
John can you describe the handshake? Was her hand on top or bottom? Did she use both hands? And what abt this guy with the fake mustache? This is getting beyond Twilight Zoney.
Be careful w/ all the trick or treaters tonight.
"I am now aware that NXIVM has a very forceful type handshakes that they are trained to use that are somehow meant to establish their dominance over the other person {No I am not making this up and I know it sounds ridiculous}"
I don't know if they have handshakes that differ when they are dealing with non-Espians, but they certainly do have a different handshake amongst other Espians: it's a two handed handshake where the person in higher rank places their hands above the one lower in rank. This absolutely signals dominance, and I can't believe people who portray themselves as critically minded accept such a role of subservience based on nothing except for the fact that one has taken more courses and has a different colored sash, or that someone has been appointed a higher rank by Prefect or Vanguard.
Yes, if that trick or treater is dressed as a female ninja warrior, well: You're Screwed.
Why not try writing something else for a change! This police dept. in saratoga is a bunch of jerkoffs that do a lousy job and may cost lives someday. That kidnap victim for example was lucky to get out alive! You should check out that story closer. She was on the phone with her boyfriend at the time she was abducted. He called 911 3 times before the cops showed up hours later. Then they went on to arrest the boyfriend and accused him of the crime. Many other details didn't come out that should!
I think Raniere should be locked up in a mental institution.
Maybe he will provide nuts and berries at his door tonight.
Fuck NXIVM
Happy holloween John and Joyce !
Hey Anonymous 5:11PM -
If you're so upset about the local police, why don't YOU start a fucking blog about it?
Amazing. A guy writes a blog about things that he finds important, and you come along and angrily insist that he write about something that YOU feel is more important.
Just kidding. We all know that you're from NXIVM. I hope you have a nice outfit to wear to court when you are subpeonaed to testify in the upcoming civil RICO cases against Keith and his cronies.
I wholeheartedly agree with the posters who mentioned the a capella forum thread. The thread neatly sums up NXIVM's way of handling those who question or criticise their actions or motives.
In that thread, a who's-who of espians, one after the other, attack the attendees of the event, accusing them of being closed-minded at best, and of attempting to physically intimidate nxivm women at the event at worst. Alison Mack, Clare Bronfman, Nicki Clyne, Lauren Salzman, Mark Vicente, Keith Raniere, Daniella Padilla, and Eric "Smiley" Mumford all, one after the other, attempt to defend NXIVM in one breath, while attacking their college-age a capella-singing critics in the next.
When someone mentions Rick Ross, the espians naturally respond by accusing Ross of being paid off by shadowy figures to damage NXIVM, and bring up Ross' legal troubles from the EARLY 70s when he was barely out of his teens, crimes for which he was simply given probation, in order to 'prove' that he's nothing but a common criminal.
Deke Sharon, the dude who runs the site who is known in that community as 'the father of contemporary a capella,' comes across as a very bright and inquisitive guy, and he rebuffs the espians' repeated insistence that he travel from San Francisco to Halfmoon and meet Keith in person to discuss these issues. Of course, in hindsight, we all know why they'd rather try to convince Deke of their good intentions in person: their gang-mentality and neurolinguistic programming attempts to manipulate him are totally ineffective in the written form, on the internet.
In case you missed it, the thread is here:
http://forums.casa.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4412
John and Joyce, I'm both saddened and pissed off to hear of this latest intrusion into you and your family's lives. Now that you've written about it, they would be smart to stay the hell away from your church, but they probably won't.
Next time, maybe you joyfully introduce yourselves to the new parishoner and her pal Mister Mustache, ask them their names, and invite them out for coffee or something.
"Of course, in hindsight, we all know why they'd rather try to convince Deke of their good intentions in person: their gang-mentality and neurolinguistic programming attempts to manipulate him are totally ineffective in the written form, on the internet."
QFT, i.e. Quoted For Truth.
Hey 6:40pm Why don't you get on yours knees and tell me you love me? This is supposed to be a blog about politics! Get it dick wad? SARATOGA POLITICS! SARATOGA IN DECLINE! I personally don't care about Nxium, that's true! It would be nice to vent about other more important issues that deal with the city I lived in all my life!
a little found background
Keith's a capella group "Simply Human'
http://tinyurl.com/32wsovd
Hey Apoplectic at 7:23 (look it up)
Politicians pull the same tricks as this shysters everyday. Lies and tricks.
Just different vocabulary
Maybe that's too scary for you.
Or do you just like to rant?
10:03am Whatever you say dueche bag(look it up)! Still not politics! I don't scare easily! Certainly you or any cult will not scare me! It's just not that interesting anymore! It's more of an obsession carrying on about Nxium! I'm sure can't wait to get on here to say the same thing over and over about these nobodys.
@10:40
This is the blog of a single individual named John Tighe. The author can post whatever he wants at his own discretion, and to him, NXIVM falls under the scope of "Saratoga in Decline." More so, NXIVM's influence on its Saratoga's body politic does as well. If you don't like what he posts, then feel free not to read it, two face cult member.
... it's spelled "douche" bag (look it up).
Anytime you bring your church into it, it pains me.
The amount of money swindled and damage that Kieth does through NEXIUM is a footnote compared to the amount of money swindled and damage done by organized religion.
What does your church ask for? 10% of your money? Does the preacher live off this money? Do they send some up the pyramid to Vatican? They may go about it differently, but Nevixum and your church are similar in many ways.
Kieth tries to buyoff/influence politics in saratoga. Mainstream religion gets presidents elected.
Mainstream religions are at the top of the cult ladder because they manipulated, brainwashed, killed, and stole throughout the centuries on a massive scale. And you are trying to take Kieth down for trying to do the exact same thing on a smaller scale.
I hope he gets taken down. I hope you help do it. I hope you realize how hypocritical you are and try to get help.
Once you are deprogrammed you can look back into what you were being told, you will see it is just as far out there & unbelievable as the sci-fi story that goes along with scientology.
You have every right to believe and practice any religion or no religion. I see the biggest difference in the fact that I am free to leave anytime I want.I can write what ever I want about the church and I'm pretty sure they won't send a kamikaze nun after me.
HAMILTON Hill, not Hampton. And for the record, it's just as bad as Mont Pleasant, which, despite its name, is anything but pleasant.
@4:05 As opposed to the damage done by secular humanism? How many people have died in wars in the past 100-150 years alone that had no religious basis to them. Give it a rest with the anti-religious bull shit that has absolutely no basis to it. Humans have manipulated, stolen from, murdered, mutilated, etc. throughout history for their own selfish reasons that had nothing to do with organized religion.
Thats because your cult has reached the threshold of legitamacy and because you live in the USA. Over the years, millions of people were in fact chased down and killed by your cult. Or chased from their homes/country. Muslims are killed or stoned in certain countries if they try to quit being muslims. We are outraged by this, yet your church did the exact same thing on its way to its current power. Missionsries were sent out to convert native americans or kill them.
Since the chuirch does not do this now though, it is OK. Its not how you get in power, it is what you do with it?
Pot calling kettle black
What isn't political about NXIVM buying political influence? Bruno connection was mentioned in the press. What about the past Saratoga mayor? NXIVM connections there too.
Look the Chinese still persecutes Catholic's.I pretty sure Stalin was an atheist.I'm not sure that BP is a religion but they have no problem fucking over people and a few were roasted alive to save a few corporate dollars on an oil rig.
People have a capacity for evil.Evil exists in all organizations.
You don't like religions fine.At least you are being fair and not saying one is better than another.My Buddhist friends tell me the Dali Lama is one monk you don't want to cross.
Ps. on the American Indian complaint my one grandmother was half Cherokee, now maybe NXIVM will back me so I can open up a Casino.
Hi Pot calling kettle black at 5:09
I have thought a lot about the difference between religion and cults. Also the difference between families and cults. Many similarities all around.
When I faced the death of a sibling recently we both found comfort following prayers my grandmother taught us, and her grandmother taught her.
The problem with cults like Raniere's and all the other junk spirituality out there when all is said, is that I could not rely on it in the crunch. I was so glad to have words learned from my grandmother to say.
Raniere's crap is just that. Something he pulled out of his ass.
Pure shit.
In fact, the only difference between a religion and a cult is the number of people who follow it.
Taken from wiki answers:
"there are two differences, the number of people who are part of it and tax exemptions. all religions start out as cults Christianity included.
when a cult gains a particular number of members it can apply for status as a religion, if it succeeds then it gains the tax exemptions."
Money and body count... that's it.
wiki answers can be written by anybody. LMAO.
Everyone has a religion in this world. Religions are fundamentally ethical systems that have a moral code basis to them. What that basis is determines what type of religion it is, whether God-inspired, or other. It is only in modern times has religion somehow been dichotomized into the spiritual and secular, natural or supernatural, etc, but prior to this, religion has always meant way of life.
the word means religion means regulare ...regulate yourself. yoga means yoke. these are ways to organize the irrational. it's bad when one person uses it for their own gain. like raniere.
if that girl in the pic is the one spooking you, just let me handle her. OK?
it may be written by anybody, but the fact remains that, in the eyes of the law, religions are large organizations with tax exemptions and cults are smaller organizations with no tax exemptions. Of course, NXVIUM is a cult, but I think it stilll bears mentioning that all of this esoteric language about "religion is good for families and cults drive them apart" may be true to some degree, but the law sees only money and body count.
"but the law sees only money and body count."
Law is a reflection of the moral code of society.
I don't know what you're point is.
You've tried to equate religions and cults. The fact is, they aren't the same and never have been, even when religions were small. It is quite clear how cults and religions are distinguished here: www.factnet.org.
You label NXIVM as a cult, but the irony is that you're using the same argument Raniere uses to give his group legitimacy among his followers, while at same time trying to bring down religion to the level of a cult.
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