Well as a Christmas bonus I’m presenting Keith Raniere “The early years“. Back in the early nineties before Keith became a sex guru he was just a simple con man trying to fleece the poor public. I must say he looks like a greasy insurance salesmen.
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OOoh my sweet KK. What are you doing with this baffoon?
Looking away at the cue cards the entire time..stupid hair. Terrible presence. Why would anyone listen to this jerk-off??
Who's KK? Kristin Keeffe? She's been with him forever.
What a load of shit.How do people get talked into this crap?
He's a beautiful human being. Why are you not listening to his message?
Keith is "full of common sense"?
LOL.
"It's an amazing idea."
Umm...no.
"Yes, well, sometimes it even amazes me."
Not a very good acting job there Keith.
"But Consumer's Buyline is wonderful. And it's working."
But for how long did it work?
"Socially valuable."
[snicker]
"Run on honest principles."
Well, if it's run on the same principles that the inner core of NXIVM is run on, who am I to question such a statement?
Especially after listening to Del Negro's charismatic and forceful testimony in which he didn't have a clue what company he was president of, but signing checks for.
LMAO.
From the get go, always creating dependency. 'You are incapable without me.' Adults aren't capable of doing their own shopping? Can't even buy their own f'n popcorn?
The man is a disgrace to the human race. Evil incarnate. And all with a s**t eating grin.
Thank you John for continuing to expose this devil.
Ho, ho, ho!
Greasy business man and now a greasy guru.
Nothing really changes.
used to be a young douch bag and now he's an old douch bag.
Pyramid scheme then pyramid scheme now.
ripping people off then and still doing same
Boy nothing really changed in raniere's life.
Funny thing is anyone who can read people well or anyone who is fairly good around people can tell by looking at raniere's eyes that he's full of shit. I can't really explain it but if you focus on his facial expression it doesn't look like he even believes his own shit.
Business man, cult leader, pervert, gambler, sex addict, bullshitter.
I do have to say that he looked alot less strange back then then he looks now. The jesus christ thing realy has to go.
Kristin Kreuk.
It's like the beginning of a Tim and Eric skit.
OMFG, where did you dig this piece of artful bullshit from John. DelNegro must of learned his acting from Rainman. LMFAO
What a joke this Raniere guy is. How plastic can you get. Has he gotten better at his act over the years. Not if you watch the how to raise a child video.
Buying popcorn = being in court without a lawyer? What a crock, if you know what I mean
Have yourself a merry little Christmas Raniere, it might be your last as a free man as you have been a bad boy and what ya going to do when they come for you
Raniere reminds me of dr. evil from austin powers movies. Where is his mini me ?
He has to have a little mini me !! it's probably salzman, or keefe.
When will the fbi take down the greasy little salesman.
Full of ethics he is. HOw many states wanted to take him down for his ethical pyramid scheme.
If nothing else nxivm is a pyramid scheme and he has an injunction against operating pyramid schemes. Can the gov. not do anything about that fact ?
FBI has no jurisdiction over pyramid business structures. It is a State matter only. That said, we already know the politicians have been well lubricated.
Also, I suspect the current business structure of ESP and NXIVM would not fall under the definition of a pyramid scheme from a legal perspecctive.
Also, Raniere is NOT an employee, officer or manager of any of these businesses, so even if they were pyramid schemes, Vanguard is well insulated from legal liability. People like DelNegro, Salzman and perhaps a few other actual employees would be the only ones that could be prosecuted. Raniere is just the creator of the "product" NXIVM and ESP sell, most likely via a license where he gets royalties for them using his creations. Raniere may be a complete scumbag and he certainly is not the smartest man in the world, but neither is he dumb! From what I can tell, the entire cult is structured to legally insulate him from any culpability whatsoever. Wish it wasn't true, but that's the reality.
He could possibly be prosecuted for violating security regulations related to his "gambling" in commodities and other investment schemes, but he is most likely totally insulated from anything the group does.
Raniere fits the profile of a con-man, sociopath who has a bunch of idiots underneath him taking responsibility for any legal repercussions. However, there still is the possibility of RICO in some manner, but with the economy the way it is, how he's slime-balled his way in the Bronfman sister's pants, and the politicians their family name and money can buy, that chance is slim.
The inner core of people who follow him are fools. Money is never worth one's self-respect and dignity. But a man without a conscience wouldn't know that, apparently. They should just get as far away from him as they can. A sociopath will continue to use and abuse you and bring you down until he's "won". The irony of the latter is exemplified in VanFrand's own statements of bringing his 'energy level down' when he sees too much fat on his anorexic woman. Hey Raniere? Have you looked at yourself in the mirror? You're not exactly hot stuff or in peak physical condition, hypocritical moron.
If 12:23 is correct than how can NXIVM be filing suits against Bouchey and Dones for talking about Raniere‘s sexual deviant, compulsive gambling behavior and I've had people killed statements.
Anyone who has spent any time with NXIVM knows that it is Raniere who runs the show and the statement that he is just the creator of the program is a big fat lie.
What a crock of shit, if you know what I mean.
Is that Eddie Albert from Green Acres who introduced VanFraud in the video?
Seems like he knows Van Twat when he introducing him. Was he one of CBI members or did they hire him to do this? Check out the hand shake. Must have been some top secret CBI hand shake.
How can some guy who is short and pudgy as VanFat be the athlete he claims to be?
John
Can you solve this mystery?
How did Douglas Rutnik get linked into this legal mess? He is listed as a co-defendent w/ O'hara and his wife in their matter.
What was his role in this mess?
FYI: he is Senator Kisten Gillibrand's father!
Well I guess tick tock was just getting our hopes up. It's been some time and nothing happened. From the comments it seemed imminent but as one writer wrote above the scumbag insulated himself pretty well. Doesn't insulate him from crimes though.
He really does look like a used car salesman and he doesn't look at all trust worthy. Why would anyone think he is ethical or wants to teach ethics when he doesn't look to ethical himself (and that's before all this nxivm b.s.started)
Hopefully tick tock really knows something and the end is coming near for the sleazy snake oil salesman. Maybe he will eventually con himself as most con men do.
He gets shut down by god knows how many state attorney generals for running a pyramid scheme and he decides to teach people ethics.
amazing, it's like having a convicted child molester give courses on child raising.
I must have missed something, he claims not only to be the smartest guy in the world but also claims to be athletic ?
He seems a bit short and stubby, what kind of athletics did he perform ? under water basket weaving ??I doubt he's dumb enough to claim to be athletic.
Kristin Kreuk?
Yeah right.
I wonder if "Kristin Kreuk" really exists or if it's just a pseudo. Read wiki page about Marylin Monroe : In her early career, their producers invented her a countryside youth in a farmers family and some other bullshit... So, does the 21st century's 'perfect girlfriend' really exists ? I found her yearbook's comment very 'NXIVM'...
Yeah Keith it was a great idea. That is why the legitimate companies had done it years before genius boy thought it up. They are called bj's and sam's club. CBI was a rip off from those companies and nxivm was a rip off of Scientology. Wonder if the unconfirmed genius has ever had an original thought?
As far as his athletic claims go, much like his intelligence claims it depends if you want to blindly follow his claims or want something real. He claims to have been the east coast judo champion when he was young. Too bad that never really happened did it Keith. Of course he claims to have been recognized by Guiness book of world records for his iq. Too bad you can actually look those up Keith - that never happened either.
Keith has no achievements - unless you count beating his 98 pound weakling followers at volleyball at abc fitness. Of course he does that at 2 am - because he is eccentric right? No because all the big boys that can actually play aren't there. Keith is a fraud and a big baby. Just listen and loom at the eyes - as any good FBI agent will tell you the eyes give you away every time!
@"Sorry for my poor english"
You wonder if Kristin Kreuk exists?
You're fucking weird. Are you under some medication? Anti-psychotics? Lithium? Or just plain batshit?
To Anonymous @ 2:15 PM on 12/25:
Do not mistake my silenece for any change in what's upcoming. I will start the countdown 10 days beforw the world find out things about VanFraud that will change evrything.
Tick, Tock...
Tick, Tock thank you for the update.
I personally thought that 1/10 of the publicity that has been allocated to exposing the little baby gorilla would be enought to shut him down or at least to get his followers to realize that he's a fraud.
Finally, when this blog came along I figured that must be it for him since now everything is exposed. Well it's been over 1 year now and nothing happend, with ALL THE PUBLICITY exposing the little fucker.
When the video of him talking about killing,,etc surfaced I figured the cops must be driving to pick him up now, but again nothing happened.
Tick Tock, if you are talking about some story coming out....well....look at what the past stories did.
However, if you are talking about a a gov. action well now that's a different story.
So please clarify so we know which one you are talking about. Unfortunatly, I and most people on this forum came to realize that these news stories are not doing much. Thanks either way and please let us all know.
@1:34 pm.
This is why: many of the inner core simply can't disbelieve him. Most psychopaths are brazenly destructive: they kill, steal, rape, etc., i.e. their actions commit immediate harm. Then there are the other kind: the quiet, somewhat charismatic ones who manipulate, use pity, guilt, their smarts, etc. to get what they want, many times subtly until you realize a little too late that you've been duped.
Here is a sample of text from an explanation given by one of the foremost experts on the topic:
At the same time, psychopaths are good impostors. They have absolutely no hesitation about forging and brazenly using impressive credentials to adopt professional roles that bring prestige and power. They pick professions in which the requisite skills are easy to fake, the jargon is easy to learn, and the credentials are unlikely to be thoroughly checked. Psychopaths find it extremely easy to pose as financial consultants, ministers, psychological counselors and psychologists. And that's a scary thought.
Psychopaths make their way by conning people into doing things for them; obtaining money for them, prestige, power, or even standing up for them when others try to expose them. But that is their claim to fame. That's what they do. And they do it very well. What's more, the job is very easy because most people are gullible with an unshakable belief in the inherent goodness of man.
Manipulation is the key to the psychopath's conquests. Initially, the psychopath will feign false emotions to create empathy, and many of them study the tricks that can be employed by the empathy technique. Psychopaths are often able to incite pity from people because they seem like "lost souls" as Guggenbuhl-Craig writes. So the pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor" people.
Psychologist Robert Hare cites a famous case where a psychopath was "Man of the Year" and president of the Chamber of Commerce in his small town. (Remember that John Wayne Gacy was running for Jaycee President at the very time of his first murder conviction!) The man in question had claimed to have a Ph.D. from Berkeley. He ran for a position on the school board which he then planned to parlay into a position on the county commission which paid more.
At some point, a local reporter suddenly had the idea to check up on the guy - to see if his credentials were real. What the reporter found out was that the only thing that was true about this up and coming politician's "faked bio" was the place and date of birth. Everything else was fictitious. Not only was the man a complete impostor, he had a long history of antisocial behavior, fraud, impersonation, and imprisonment. His only contact with a university was a series of extension courses by mail that he took while in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. What is even more amazing is the fact that before he was a con-man, he was a "con-boy." For two decades he had dodged his way across America one step ahead of those he had hoodwinked. Along the way he had married three women and had four children, and he didn't even know what had happened to them. And now, he was on a roll! But darn that pesky reporter!
When he was exposed, he was completely unconcerned. "These trusting people will stand behind me. A good liar is a good judge of people," he said. Amazingly, he was right. Far from being outraged at the fact that they had all been completely deceived and lied to from top to bottom, the local community he had conned so completely to accrue benefits and honors to himself that he had not earned, rushed to his support!
I kid you not! And it wasn't just "token support." The local Republican party chairman wrote about him: "I assess his genuineness, integrity, and devotion to duty to rank right alongside of President Abraham Lincoln." As Hare dryly notes, this dimwit was easily swayed by words, and was blind to deeds.
If you're story is true, don't say a damn thing Tick Tock. In time, if it's legitimate, we'll come to know.
Don't give anyone the opportunity to determine what anything regarding the situation if it's as detrimental as you supposedly claim, especially "the crew". Leave them on the edge.
@ December 26, 2010 5:39 AM
You fucking post that stupid shit everytime about her. She didn't join until 2006. Becca Friedman has said on this site that she helped her with her paper work when she enrolled. She graduated HS in 2000.
It's been established here already that the majority of the idiots who join this retarded group are naive upper middle class wannabe do-gooders who love repeating the same stupid Ghandi quote over and over.
OMG I need some depends as I wet myself, again. This guy is such a fake how anyone can believe him.
He used the "five friends" line in the early days of ESP also. We started ESP with just five friends sitting in our living room.
WTF, you need an advisor for shopping and VanFat knows once again what is best for others.
Love the hand shake dude; are your shoes off also?
It’s too bad how he couldn't do this business legally or ethically either. This guy is an A Hole in my book.
Hope Tick Tock is right about what is coming out.
It would appear that Coffey is fishing for information about his clients and if he should get paid up by pretending to be a concerned person on the blog about what is coming out next.
John where do you come up with these things? Was it on a Russian server also? Are you going to give us some more of this video? Warm me so I can buy some dippers.
I really apologize for this clumsy question, but as Marylin Monroe was Norma Baker, I was just wondering...
Thank you for the medical advice.
Kristin and father have very good relationship.
He no likey.
Do math.
What I would like to say to those upset about lack of action from authorities regarding NXIVM is that in the end these corrupt people may never be caught or punished. This is life. The wicked simply do prosper.
But what I have learned from surviving a cult is that the work John and commenters here are doing does have an impact. I am certain NXIVM has taken a bit hit from the truth that is revealed here. Just keep it up. Do not be discouraged.
The following are excerpts from the Forbes article on Raniere in 2003. It seems to be no longer online except at Rick Ross site:
Here's a shortened link: http://tinyurl.com/2ef4xlv
These reported facts have been out there awhile. The more recent reports that John has posted from the NY Post about 'having people killed' and even from the Times Union about the poor child still captive in this cult are out there. Why no action?
Lawyers, lawyers, lawyers. Lawyers have absoltuely no interest whatsoever in the truth or justice. They are only interested in one thing, and one thing only: billable hours. If someone can show a lawyer how they could make a buck taking Raniere down, you wil succeed. Because of the Bronfmans all the money in on the other side; protecting Raniere. Those girls just love them some Raniere d**k. That's facts.
Here's some highlights from the Forbes article written a whole seven years ago. Readers you must be patient and keep on bringing out the truth. It takes time to get rid of evil, especially with those posing as ethical. Just read the Bronfman girls tweets. Those a-holes still think they are saving the world. It is very galling to see them quoting Martin Luther King about justice and truth. Gags me.
Patience, just keep it up. Thank you John. You are a hero to me.
Here's highlights from the Forbes article:
"In 1990 Raniere decided to apply his theory to his new business, Consumers' Buyline, a multilevel marketing program near Albany that promised lucrative commissions to old customers for recruiting new ones. He barnstormed the nation promoting discounts on groceries, dishwashers and even hotel stays, stoking crowds of a thousand pumped-up and profit-hungry people. "He was like a mythological figure--the guy with the 240 IQ was coming to town," says Robert Bremner, a former distributor for the outfit.
"Raniere says by the end of 1993 he had sold $1 billion in goods and services, employed 80 people and had a quarter-million believers paying him $19 a month to hawk his goods. He claims he was worth $50 million.
"Yet he appeared to carry no money, says Bremner, adding that Raniere seemed to sleep all day, rolled into his office around 10 p.m. and sometimes held meetings at 1 a.m. Business flagged, debt ballooned and customers complained. Regulators in 20 states began to investigate. In 1993 the New York attorney general filed a civil suit alleging Consumers' Buyline was a pyramid scheme. Without admitting wrongdoing, Raniere settled for $40,000, of which he has paid only $9,000. He says he can't pay the rest, though he also says his ample finances let him live on savings.
"There is probably no discovery since writing as important for humankind as Mr. Raniere's technology," she once wrote in a brochure. She ended up treating Raniere's girlfriend, Toni Natalie, with therapy and lending her $50,000 for the health food business. When it flopped in 1999, a bitter battle ensued in U.S. bankruptcy court in Albany. Raniere sided with Salzman. Natalie moved away. Court records show Raniere sent Natalie verses from Paradise Lost, annotated ("Commits to evil for protection--stupid/weak."). He drew a diagram that plotted her life and said she was in danger of careening down a "pride barrier" to a "dream death line." (Chart previously posted here by John)
"In 1998 Salzman incorporated in Delaware the company that launched Executive Success Programs and applied for patents on Raniere's behavior-modification "technology." She and "Vanguard" agreed that he would get a share of the profits at some point. The company is now also known as Nxivm. Classes now are offered in Albany, Manhattan, Seattle, Boston and several cities in Mexico, with plans to expand. In August, in a squat, brown office complex near the Albany airport, 50 entrepreneurs and bankers sat on overstuffed couches, earnestly discussing words like "value" and "ethics."
"Days begin at 8 a.m. with the "ESP handclap," akin to using a gavel to open a court hearing. Students then go through sessions on "Money," "Face of the Universe," "Control, Freedom & Surrender" and more. They learn baffling and solipsistic jargon: "Parasites" are people who suffer, creating problems where none exist and craving attention. "Suppressives" see good but want to destroy it. Thus, a person who criticizes Executive Success is showing suppressive behavior."
"In "Money," students are taught that every dollar spent represents a portion of effort, and that "Vanguard identified the concept of giving and taking with integrity." Coaches urge students to take each session several times at a cost of several thousand dollars--and to think of each dollar spent as a worthwhile representation of that effort. In a core piece of the program, known as "exploration of meaning," teachers plumb students' beliefs and backgrounds, looking for emotional buttons. People are encouraged to reveal a negative habit, describe how it benefits survival and pledge to replace it with a new one.
"Confidentiality is sacrosanct. Students must sign a nondisclosure agreement and vow never to talk about what they learn. If they violate it, they are "compromising inner honesty and integrity." In August Raniere sued a woman for, the suit claimed, divulging information. When a Forbes reporter asked to audit a session, the group's lawyer presented a three-page confidentiality agreement forbidding the magazine to write about virtually anything seen or heard at the event. The reporter declined (and later was allowed to make a brief visit to the Albany site).
"It is all too intense for some. After sleepless nights and 17-hour days of workshops, a 28-year-old woman from a prominent Mexican family says she began to have hallucinations and had a mental breakdown at her hotel near Albany. She went to a hospital and required psychiatric treatment. Her psychiatrist, Carlos Rueda, says in the last three years he has treated two others who have taken the class; one had a psychotic episode.
"Sara Bronfman, Edgar Sr.'s 26-year-old daughter, says she started taking classes at the end of 2002 after her marriage fell apart. She was living in Belgium and heard about the class from a family friend. She marveled at how much Raniere was able to teach her. Sara has since been promoted to the rank of coach; she now works full time for Executive Success.
"Sara and other devotees are talking about erecting centers in Australia and elsewhere. Raniere has lined up private investors to pay for a $15 million, 75,000-square-foot building near Albany. As originally designed, the building was to emerge from a stone foundation under a six-sided, glass roof. It is meant to be a tribute to civilization--another step in the mission to spread Vanguard's gospel around the world. "I don't know how much you know about my family," Sara Bronfman says, admiring the silky cloth around her chest, "but, coming from a family where I've never had to earn anything before in my life,"
Wonder shy Forbes didn't get sued?
Raniere's just a con-man. The man's the same, the method just changes: from scam-artist businessman to scam-artist "ethical" man. It appears to me that he just figured out that it's easier to get money, get laid by more women, and get fawned over to satisfy his farcical ego by taking on a religious-like figurehead status since he doesn't have rock-star skills or something like that. Thus, the "Jesus"-like (I quote that only because I don't want to degrade Jesus' wonderfully sincere personality) look and pretend mythical image.
Note to Edgar Bronfman:
Even you don't have enough money to save your daughters from the impending criminal charges that they will be facing. This might be the right time for you to take a shot at being a real father for the first time in your wretched little life - and, Yahweh forbid, do something to save them from VanPedo.
Unfortunately, I think you're father was right about you. You haven't accomplished anything on your own...just like all of your kids.
Have a happy 2011 you pathetic excuse for a man.
"I told Kristin's Father About Cult said...
Kristin and father have very good relationship.
He no likey.
Do math.
December 26, 2010 3:30 PM "
You know them personally?
Anyway if she's so fucking stupid that she'd join this retards group AFTER READING THE FORBES ARTICLE WHICH SHE IS PHOTOGRAPHED READING ON THE SET OF SMALLVILLE, then nothing her father says will do anything unless he disowns her.
I think the charges against "VanPedo" as some have put it may have to do with what was posted on this site awhile ago under the alias "TheRat" but removed for undisclosed reasons. Fortunately, bigskeptic saved it by re-posting it at the Rick Ross forum in the NXIVM thread here on October 24, 2010 02:34PM:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,page=21
I don't know how viable the claims are, but if Tick Tock is being truthful, and it has some relation to it, I guess we'll all see soon enough.
"You know them personally?"
Let's just say I know some things about her that you don't know.
And I don't appreciate you mocking her like that, pussy.
You don't know what I know about anything. You don't know that I don't know things about her or that I know her personally or am a midget from Nicaragua typing this from a small hut. For all you know I am Keith Raniere.
Don't post these things if you don't want to elaborate, pussy.
She was stupid enough to join this stupid group and give tens of thousands of dollars (that's what it takes) to this little troll after reading the horror stories about him. She's stupid enough to buy into his cliche horseshit, and that sort of naive thinking is forgivable, but to read testimonials and still join the group is absolutely retarded.
What you appreciate means shit to me.
From Rick Ross website:
"The scary part of the organization,” “is that they have a philosophy, his philosophy . . . called ‘right action’ or ‘wrong action.’ And if he believes that something is ‘right action’ . . . it is OK to do whatever it takes. If you had to kill somebody, and it is for the betterment of the Family, it would be OK.”
On Raniere: "Make your own self-interest paramount, don't be motivated by what other people want and avoid "parasites" (his label for people who need help); only by doing this can you be true to yourself and be truly "ethical."
"The flip side, of course, is that this worldview discredits virtues like charity, teamwork and compassion--but maybe we just don't get it."
"The world is full of people who try to "destroy each other, steal from each other, down each other or rejoice at another's demise." Thus, he writes, "it is essential for the survival of humankind" that the world's wealth and resources be controlled by "successful, ethical people"--i.e., those trained at Executive Success.
"A more ethical world, he reasoned, would consist of people who understood their goals and pursued them."
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Nothing really new here. We are all genetically programmed to think about Number 1. Thinking about others is for losers.
You know, losers like the child whose birth we are celebrating just now.
I don't need to know what you know about anything. I only know what I know.
I post what I feel like, and don't have to elaborate if I don't want to.
Maybe she was stupid (we all suffer brain farts), or maybe she was presented a different side that others didn't see because of who she is. What her reasons were at the time are irrelevant to what her status is now. Blaming the participant/victim as an opportunity to spew your venom on her character as you obviously are doing for whatever insidious reason occupies your mind, doesn't deceive me. Everyone makes mistakes, and no one is free from fault.
As someone who claims to be a friend of hers over the internet - which can't, nor won't be backed up - you can take what I say or leave it. Either way, neither will affect how I sleep tonight.
Thank you 9:00 for posting that Rick Ross link to "The Rat". I missed that somehow, but read the comments in its wake. Just reading that makes my stomach turn and my blood boil. It may be a set-up, like saying I will be in Mexico with Edgar, as in Bronfam. For real? Those crimes described are prosecutable, and if there are tapes, there should be a raid. Why go to Mexico and not go to the Feds? I'm confused! Hopefully there is more than just another hollow article coming up, we want some action and some answers as well. Good work John! You ARE the new face of investigative journalism, God Bless the First Amendment!!
@Anonymous that apparently know everything about Miss Kreuk and relatives, I think that you even know things about her that she doesn't know herself, if you know what I mean...
Perhaps I'm totally crazy and I need intensive medical attention in a psychiatric unit, but, right now, about Miss Kreuk or whathever she's called the idea that she was introducted into entertainment industry thanks to her early involvement in ESP and that she was instrumentalized as a NXIVM P-R in the shape of a young rising underdog, is making it's way in my poor sick mind.
Read her bio, read every info that you get (and you have so much !!!) and ask yourself if it isn't a little bit too "perfect" and too "clean".
As I read, since the beginning of her career, she has the same kind of discourse. Not just the typical underdog edulcorated chat, but a deeper discourse about humanity, behaviour and so on...
Isn't it strange ?
Could you argue without trolling ? What I'm writing isn't against you, dude ! It's not personal at all ! I'm crazy and stupid as much as you want and it won't make me sick if you're insulting me in this forum !
Have some fun giving me all the names you want, but here, I have a real question and Id'like to get answers.
If you know her that much, have a deep breath, relax and just answer me, please.
And I want to know how deep is (was ?) NXIVM involved in the entertainment industry and from who.
@11:09 PM
"It may be a set-up, like saying I will be in Mexico with Edgar, as in Bronfam..."
Yes, it could be a set up. Anyone can make a claim over the internet. That's why it's a wait and see as the original poster said which might have to do with what Tick Tock was referring to.
I don't think Edgar is Mr. Bronfman. I believe it is a man named Edgar Boone.
OMG again with your stupid bullshit. BECCA HAS STATED THAT SHE ENROLLED HER.
Happy New Year, John, and keep up the good work.
Employment Opportunity
Executive Success Programs Now Hiring:
Regional VP Latin America
Needed in Albany, NY: Oversee field survyes to target new business orders and roles in Latin American market. Must have Bach. + 5 yrs. exp. Fax resume to NXIVM Corp., Attn: Kathy Russell at (518) 452-1255. Indicate code: NC-002.
Thanks for posting that link to the Rick Ross site. I also missed the original posting.
I assumed that 'Edgar' referred to Edgar Boone Sabag, a high-ranking NXIVM member from Mexico who was responsible for bringing many very wealthy Mexican families into NXIVM from since around 2000.
I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that Edgar Boone Sabag returned to Mexico sometime in the past year or so and was slowly cutting ties with NXIVM, as many members have been doing since the NXIVM 9 defection.
Was going to post somethig, then found John was all over it over a year ago.
Where did you read or listened that Becca has stated she enrolled her ?
Becca stated that she helped her to fill a form for a "seminar" or an "intensive" and I can't find her post about it.
I just found :
Becca said...
@ Anonymous - not on any personal basis. I sat with her at V-Week for a seminar of some sort, but that was about it. Why do you ask?
here
Seriously guy, if you're that angry because you freezed on the girl, I'm sorry for you from deep of my heart and I'm sincere.. : (
Put yourself together, my man !
Oooops ! Erm... Okay, I found it here... You was right dude, sorry.
Becca said...
To Anonymous said...
I helped Kreuk register for her first Intensive. This does not mean I enrolled her, I simply was the person sitting behind the table who had her sign some documents and gave her a name tag. I am almost positive I heard one of the proctors say Vicente enrolled her.
September 15, 2010 8:24 PM
Sorry again, dude, I could assume that you was right about Becca... So I could assume that I was wrong... And you're sooo happy noooow ! Aren't youuuuu ?!?!?
So my strange theory-freak has lost one leg... I will classify it in my 'zoocryptology' files...
Just read the rat note on ross's website.
If it's real and not some bogus nonsense and if it's what tick tock is in fact referring to then raniere may have a serious problem on his hand, one that he cannot shift to salzman.
He insulated himself pretty well from business related acts but sex with minor he would have very hard time insulating himself from.
On one hand I hope the rat is full of it and raniere did not sleep with underaged girls but on the other hand if he did I hope to god he goes to prison for a long time.
Isn't there statute of limitations (Im assuming these acts were done years ago during the cb days ?
Yes Mark Vicente, who before joining NXIVM, was in some sort of other cultish group. Believe it or not, it was even lamer. I can't remember the name though.
He also brought in Hildreth, her douche drinking boyfriend.
I apologize for being so insulting. But you've posted that here more than once and every time, you're proven wrong. I guess you just didn't see the posts explaining everything.
"Cultural Vacationers" I think would be a good way to describe the people in this group.
Raniere does seduce underage girls - he's been doing it for years. Statute of limitations has long run out on the ones I know of, but if he had no problem with doing that in the past, why whould he change his behavior now? If enough information is exposed, maybe some parents will wise up and keep their daughters the hell away from him.
Is there proof that he's seduced underage girls? I know there was a story about how he met his first woman-partner but she was 18 when they met, if I remember correctly.
BTW, where did this happen? In Canada, the age of consent is different.
BTW I'd like to add that no active prevention a parent does will stop a girl from liking a guy. Raising her properly will help to steer her away but if she's stupid enough to fall for such obvious rhetoric then there really is very little hope for her.
And a man who joins this idiot, assuming he isn't doing it only for the hot young naive poon that's tossed his way, is so far gone he should be considered dead.
Job for a surveyor. All this guy does is take surveys. Their goal is "through surveys, determine what people want or feel or some shit blah blah". That kreuk project was a survey.
These people are so fucking stupid.
People want to eat, fuck and their pride and feelings, especially those directly connected to their eating and fucking, intact and validated in whatever perverse manner they wish.
That is what people want.
For instance, our dear blog host wants his gay scarf accepted. Keith Raniere once walked by and said "Nice scarf, fag" and the rest is history. =p =p =D
“By the time they read this, I will have gone back to Mexico with Edgar. I served as their pawn for too long (like jim)”
Could the person who wrote this be talking about Jim Delnegro? Isn’t he the pawn who testified in Dones hearing and couldn’t remember the name of the company he signed checks for and was president of?
What a stupid lie to tell under oath Delnegro. You got caught in your own rat trap didn't you?
The Rat mentions Rosie. Is that Esther Chiappone daughter Rosie, Jim Delnegro dates Esther from what I hear.
Didn’t Dones say during her testimony Esther Chiappone told her that she had slept with Raniere?
Is Delnegro getting Raniere‘s sloppy seconds? Has Rosie been offered up to Raniere? If so this would be very sick.
The Rat talks about the Fernandez girls that were left in Pam’s care. Must be Pam Cafritz who is Raniere long long long time girlfriend / assistant.
Cafritz and others are responsible for having the Fernadez children here from Mexico illegally. This could be a legal problem for Cafritz and others who have support this illegal activity.
The Rat talks about the boy, the Fernandez girl’s brother. If he is tapping Raniere having sex with his sisters this would be a very sick man to have children do any of these acts.
This family would have huge claims against Raniere, Salzman, NXIVM, and Cafritz and maybe the Bronfman’s as part owners of NXIVM if any of this is true.
Where are these children’s parents in this mess? Have they been brainwashed into believing that any of their children involved in this sexual sickness are somehow going to evolve them as humans? Was it a past life contract they were told of and believed?
From what I've heard there is a great deal of "new age" type things that are talked about within the "inner family" of NXIVM.
Appears by the Rat Letter these children were kept illegally for Raniere to have play toys and Salzman’s could of used them as house keepers and member of her film team.
If true, this could be a huge tax problem for Salzman if she paid or bartered with illegal’s for work done personally or within her many companies.
If she paid them with cash this could be even more of a problem. Where did the cash come from?
If someone like the Feds followed the cash, the house of cards would fall and the world would be a better place for all.
The great thing about this blog is information is leaking out which allows others to come forward with their secrets. It's a snowball effect.
Some day this sick bastard is going to be exposed for who he really is. All that goes on behind the smoke and mirrors of the training program called NXIVM will be seen by all those who support him, some very blindly.
When it is, many will run from NXIVM like rats from a burning ship. For now, they are blind rats, but some day they will see the truth.
Another question is, if this sex is being filmed, is it being sold as porn? If there is under age children involved is this being sold as porn?
If what has been said about Raniere, he could be selling these tapes as porn. He seems to love money and porn is profitable.
Keith doesn't like John Tighe's scarf? I am very confused. On another note how is Skip doing plowing the roads?
"If in the next moment your behaviour would affect all of humanity forever more, how would you behave? Every moment is such a moment." - Keith Raniere
How would you behave, VanFraud?
I know it's an old topic, but has anyone yet tried to go to Apropos?
In case anyone was wondering what execs at NXIVM make, here is a list of some of them:
http://www.salarylist.com/all-real-jobs-salary-at-nxivm-inc.htm
It takes a while to load sometimes.
This blog has been in full out attack mode against nxivm for over a year.
Before that, iSaratoga and disutopia were doing the same thing for a long time.
Local media outlets have jumped in, especially the Times Union and Metroland. National magazines and papers have as well.
A handful of former members have even come forward to offer their help in ending the madness.
Now, here we are apporoaching New Years 2011. What has all this intense scrutiny and all these charges and allegations done?
NOTHING!
Nxivm still operates, it still recruits members, it still lures new fish into its seminars and hooks into invididual bank accounts of many of them afterwords. The multi layered organization is still set up to confuse anyone trying to pierce its veil to expose the fraud and tax evasion. The scam continues.
So what has all this accomplished?
Maybe nothing more than proving they can not be beat?
"So what has all this accomplished?
Maybe nothing more than proving they can not be beat?"
It has proven that the world is in a somewhat fucked up state when a man like VanFraud can continue to convince people that he is ethical, and that the money and family name of the Bronfman brats can buy people at the expense of their self-respect, dignity, and integrity.
Ironic, eh? But, charlatans have existed throughout human history, and all of them are exposed in some manner. If you think John's blog hasn't had an impact, then you're a fool. It may not be the one many who have been conned by this organization would like, but it has had a considerable one in terms of negative publicity.
Regardless, everyone will die, this world will end, and judgment will come. There will be no escaping it.
No one said this would be easy.
Do not despair. The information that has come to ligtht via this blog will be NXIVM's undoing. It certainly hasn't happened as fast as it should have but things are in motion.
Ever wonder where the not so great, not so powerful VanFraud came up with his course work? Some say Scientology which is possible.
Wonder if he ever read any Napoleon Hill. Network marketer's are well known for reading self-help books and Hill’s is often on the must read list. VanFraud is supposed to have a long history involving network marking.
Here's what Hill had to say about habits. If you've taken a NXIVM intensive you might recognize this.
This comes right out of Hills work and not the NXIVM training manual.
Habits are formed so slowly that most of us don’t realize what is happening until the habits are too strongly entrenched to be broken. Seldom can one pattern of behavior be eliminated without replacing it with another. It has been said that nature abhors a vacuum and will always find something to fill a void. The best way to thin out the “weeds,” or faults in your character, is to identify those traits with which you are dissatisfied and replace them with their positive counterparts. If you have a tendency to lose your temper, for example, find a replacement for your anger. Neutralize it with a positive expression or affirmation, such as, “No one can make me angry unless I let them. I will not let anyone else control my emotions.”
Sound familiar VanFraud? Was it just a twist on words buddy?
There's a website called globalnlptraining.com
If you look at the website they have "16 day intensives"
Wonder where baby gorilla got the 16 day intensives from ?
Wonder if he has any original ideas in his body.
He probably stole nxivm and vanguard from someone too.
There was a video game long time ago called vanguard, did he like video games ?
I just hit the post button and went on google to look up vanguard and it was an early 80's arcade game.
So confirmed he doesn't have a original idea in him.
Anon 9:28
Roman Polanski got off the hook this year and Switzerland made him a free man. Werner Erhard got off for abusing his daughters to the point of having them recant theri testimony. But the bad publicity has certainly put a dent in these two. Both of these cases have been decades in the courts with no justice.
Raniere has been doing his evil deeds a long time and will continue wherever he is. My guess is he going to go on the lam in Mexico, if not there already.
The courts are corrupt and judges can be bought and Crockett and Coffey are just greedy bastards. Cataloguing the bad s**t coming out of NXIVM as John and commenters here are doing is still worth while. Why? To help others stay away, to help others on the fence to get out, to keep those in this cult from getting into public office. That is not NOTHING.
It is unrealistic and juvenile to expect this to all end like some tv show. Life is not like that. Daily aggravation via publishing the truth about Raniere, Salzman and the Bronfmans is valuable. They can't hear it because they are so damaged and programmed, but others can be helped by this effort here.
@December 28, 2010 3:18 PM
NLP is Neural Linguistic Programming. He utilizes it. Many speakers do, actually.
"Intensives" are part of the brainwashing process. Scientology does them too. They call them crambooths or some shit like that.
I've considered that the post by 'The Rat' could be misinformation planted by NXIVM.
By coming onto the blog and posting wild, untrue accusations (if Keith is indeed innocent of those serious accusations), NXIVM could then use those comments to discredit the blog, ie. "those people said that Keith's a child molester and that he videotapes his molestations...nothing on that blog can be trusted!"
On the other hand, 'The Rat's' post was so detailed, mentioning so many names (albeit first or last names), that it just seems there could be a grain of truth to it. The accusations seem so outlandish and shocking, but it still comes across as someone desperately wanting to clear their conscience.
The fact that John removed the post (something he almost NEVER does) might imply that there was a grain of truth.
I pray that someday soon we'll find out the real truth.
@5:52 PM
I, likewise, have felt that it is a possible plant by NXIVM. Regardless, either way, it doesn't look good for them, with the non-plant theory being the worst of the two cases, obviously. Because if anyone from NXIVM is planting BS information to discredit the blog, well, then how ethical is that? "Two wrongs never make a right"...well, unless VanFraud is somehow defining right and wrong action. But, let's just assume he's excluded from the application of adage.
I see where Citizen Nancy has gotten herself into a couple of ethical and possible civil jams.
Go to Craigslist-Albany / Politics to read about it.
Happy New Year to you John and your family. Hopefully next year nxivm will be exposed for the nasty people that they are. The bronfman gals need to learn a good lesson in real life and raniere needs a good lesson in the federal prison system. Your website has been wonderful and please keep it up. We love you very much and we wish you a wonderful and happy new years.
from our family to your family lots of hugs and kisses. !!!!
Keith Raniere the Early Years: Oily Sexual Predator Presented on a Pseudo-Intellectual Plate, Wrapped in a Fakey Fairy shell, topped with Magnanimaous Bullshit
Keith Raniere the Final Years: Greasy Sexual Predator Presented on a Spike, Cloaked in Empty Rhetoric and Sanctimony, Doused in Testimony and Set Ablaze with the Truth of His Actions
This is a dish that always satisfies...
I totally agree with 5:52 first two paragraphs !
Beware of disinformation ! Remind that the biggest lies could be swallowed thanks to some drops of truth !!! The best way to lie is to give some truth in.
If I was a NXIVM disinformation agent, I would come here with some 'facts' or 'truth' among a pile of big fat lies !
What is the best way for NXIVM to fight this blog ? Unravel it's credibility by making us eating crap !
Their aim is to panic everyone here with gruesomes 'informations' like Raniere is a kid rapist to dissolve our critic thinking in strong emotions like anger and in other hand, making us believe that Raniere is a total freak and a total moron, on the base of these lies, has a terrible effect on the potential deffective members they are looking at this blog ! How could we be credibles if we believe grotesque lies againts Raniere ? It increases their Them againts us feeling and it increase the credibility of the crooks they are lying them for month/years...
So beware of the 'hyper super scoops' about NXIVM and Raniere. Just think of what could be really used in a court and ON THE BASE OF WHAT PROOF !!!!!
Because WITH NO PROOF, THERE IS NO CRIME !!!!
Here, they are daily proof that we are criticing-slandering-lidelling (?) NXIVM, Bronfman, Raniere, Salzman, etc.
But here there is no prof that Raniere has raped, stolen, spoiled, etc.
Juste have a look here...
so what does proof rhyme with kids?? Doof, coof, moof, spoof, troof, loof... awwwwwwww- too many words- why pursue it?? Just roll over and play dead, there is no PROOF that proof rhymes with anything. Let's try a simpler word:
Testimony!! Oh man, that has way too many syllables for this crowd- we should wait until we are in a safer space to go there...
Who's up for a game of Candyland!!! Yeah!!!
Bring it on, I LOVE~Candy Land!!!!
"lies"?? having been one of the 'kids,' you make wide statements, "sfmpe". it may be a lie to you, but this is not TV and things are not perfect in life. shut up- you know NOTHING, but LYL!! otherwise, I think you post brilliantly. Thanks for helping to make this blog interesting and smart.
anon (for now)
I get what you wrote. My tought are for you. Be courageous. May the supreme being -whatever you name him/her- be with you. I'll pray for you.
SFMPE,
First, happy new year. Many here appreciate your take on things and hope you are not discouraged from contributing.
have been thinking about your post above @3:02 and about the link you provided to ethics in journalism. You make an excellent point. The trolls here are desperately trying to corrupt and disrupt the discussion, make it veer off into nonsense. Best thing is to not feed them. Thankfully there are so many posting that they can't keep up.
Your points about the ethics of journalism is well taken, but the landscape for those values has changed, but not the values themselves. Just wearing different clothes.
In the newly forming style of journalism, we see a mixture all in one place of what is usually divided up into sections in the newspaper. Reporting of the news in one place, opinion and editorial in another place, gossip and society in another, political cartoons and satire in another. Here on this blog all of that is in one stream together. It is a bit of a rough ride for those used to calmer waters.
What used to be called, 'Letters to the Editor' would appear on the opinion page along with the editors column. LTE are the most highly read section of the newspaper. Here all that appears in the comments section. John is our editor for those. He does not post everything he receives I know that.
Newspapers insisted on names being printed with comments to avoid what you mention libel etc.But newspaper would include inside scoops. The Times Union used to have one called 'The Listening Post', where insiders would dish about Albany politics, but no more.
Everyone is fearful of litigation. Also our newspapers are now owned by only a few media giants and are now beholden to the big corporations and so what they publish has become timid and subject to corporate policy. To me that is the reason readership is down. Editors are hamstrung about what they can print and people can find the news they care about elsewhere, like here.
Thanks for bring this issue here, SFMPE. It is important.
Many thanks to you.
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