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Sunday, January 23, 2011

Waldorf School of Saratoga Springs: NXIVM hotspot?

I am writing this story for two reasons, and yes I know it will piss off a lot of people and some of them will be justified in their anger, but I feel it needs to be said. The Waldorf School of Saratoga Springs is a private, non-profit school based on the teachings of Rudolph Steiner and this is its story.

This is their last published annual report HERE


First; A women contacted me about her experience in The Waldorf School of Saratoga Springs. She said that she felt so pressed to take NXIVM classes, both from other parents and from school administrators that she pulled her daughter out and enrolled her in my old alma mater Catholic Central{Old St.Peter’s in my day}. She then asked if I knew anything about it, which I must say I didn’t.

Second; Coincidentally someone who is close to me and that I care deeply about asked me what I thought about the school because her granddaughter was thinking of going to their preschool.

Well I wasted no time digging around and what I found shocked me. A simple check of the WSSS Board of Directors: Heather Ward, Board President; Matt Beekman, Secretary; Rich Frank, Treasurer; Martin Cohen, Allen DiAlberto, Jeff DeWeese, Richard Fron, David Karp, Ed Mitzen, Ardie Pierce, Katherine Scharff and Jan Zemba, finds two very active and one ex member of NXIVM.
Jeff De Weese along with his wife Jenn are very active members and recruiters for NXIVM. Matt Beekman,Presidentof the board are even more involved and higher ranking. Then we have Ed Mitzen, former member dragged into it by his wife,who found out exactly what NXIVM was really like when he tried to leave. Set up and blackmailed, his story will be told another day. Yes folks these really are vile people. That brings us to his Ex-wife Deedee. Deedee was star struck by NXIVM, perhaps feeling overwhelmed by her husband, she rose through the NXIVM hierarchy, becoming a trainer and confidant of Crazy Nurse Nancy. She was actually with the crazy nurse when she forgot her million dollar laptop at Albany Airport.

In the November 9, 2003 edition of The Sunday Gazette she is quoted with these prophetic words.
Dee Dee Mitzen found the program{NXIVM} so vital that she became a trainer. She and her husband, Ed, who owns Palio Communications in Saratoga Springs, found the courses life-changing, she said. She discounts any talk that labels ESP as a cult, or something that separates people from their families.
"I am the example of none of that being true. My husband and I are happily married, we have three kids and we're both successful in our jobs," said Mitzen, who taught seventh and eighth grade, then was a stay-at-home mom.

She touts ESP as a "school of ethics and critical thinking," and says the program has helped her get the most out of her life. Most importantly, she said, she has stopped giving her children patronizing answers, and started asking questions that help them explore things for themselves.
"Say I'm at the playground with my son and he tells me Joey hit him. Instead of telling him, 'Joey didn't mean it,' Ill ask him, 'Why do you think Joey hit you,'" Mitzen said.


Before NXIVM was done with her, she had lost her husband, who was forced to defend himself against ridiculous NXIVM Black Ops allegations, her piece of mind and the respect of the community. So why am I bringing this up? DeeDee at least on the Waldorf School website is still listed as a high school teacher, although she is the only staff member not to have biographical information available. As far as I’m concerned, I want no child I care about near this woman. She may regret her involvement now, but she showed an incredible lack of judgment that almost cost her husband everything. So we have NXIVM tainted staff, along with ESPIAN’s in the administration, so what do I do? Go to the open house at the school of course.
Saturday was an open house at the school, so after notifying the local authorities of my intentions and with their tacit blessing, I went over in the last half hour to avoid a scene. So what did a find?
Two intelligent staff members that I found committed and dedicated and I really felt sorry for them in a strange way. Then after the 10 cent tour, I asked the magic question. How much NXIVM influence is in the school? Perhaps they were a naïve, due to their age or perhaps they thought I could shine a light on the predicament, but they answered me, at least I believe truthfully.
Yes they admitted there was a NXIVM problem at the school. They told me there were about eight hard-core NXIVM families that had been repeatedly told they cannot recruit at the school. I asked about the administration and they confirmed there were problems and complaints of favoritism, particularly in the allocating of limited scholarship money. Seems my blog has been hurting enrollment in NXIVM classes. Seems what the Crazy Nurse calls a numbers game just ain’t adding up like it used to.
Even Eshter Chiaponne; a member of the inner circle had to go hat in hand for scholarship money. What happened Esther, crazy nurse cut off your line of credit?
So in all good faith I cannot recommend the program for anyone. Not until at least the school is purged of the vipers that have so soiled its reputation. Dance with the devil and you will always pay.Don't say you weren't warned.

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you, John, for another story that may save some people from the cancer that is NXIVM.

Is Gaylen scheduled to start attending Waldorf in the fall?

Anonymous said...

Can't wait to read the Mitzen story - wondered why he sold Polio so quickly.

Any additional insight about Katherine Scharff or on Maxine Lindig Lautenberg ?

Anonymous said...

Raniere attended a Waldorf school for his elementary education. The NXIVM hordes want their younguns to grow up just like the guru. This is a shame - Waldorf schools can be wonderful learning environments. This group taints everything it touches.

Anonymous said...

Never ceases to amaze me how sneaky and pervasive these NXIVM scum are. You are doing a great service to everyone in ferreting out these scumbags wherever they may be. If any free minded staff at this school read this blog, they should seek out legal counsel if they feel they've been pressured at all to attend ESP training. You may have a strong case to obtain some significant compensation.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting connection between Waldorf Schools and Raniere. Seems cult expert Rick Ross also considers and tracks the Waldorf schools (there are hundreds around the world) as a cult group in and of itself ( http://www.cultnews.com/?cat=154). The group is really bizarre and any parents who send or consider sending their kids there, might want to read what Ross has to say. Among other things, the founder of the Waldorf "syndicate" was a believer in paranourmal things like mind reading. Also see http://www.rickross.com/groups/waldorf.html

Anonymous said...

We love sending out girls to the Waldorf school and they love attending. I also love your blog.
Go figure....

Anonymous said...

To anyone reading this who has children at the Waldorf school, please- be very very wary of anything related to Keith Raniere or NXIVM. It sounds crazy, but he is a pedophile. I know this firsthand, as painful as it is to even see myself typing it. And do not, under any circumstances, let your children near anyone that is affiliated with NXIVM. Some may be benign, but they are temporarily benign tumors, ready to mestastasize at any moment. PLEASE, this is not BS, I am in earnest. keep you daughters away from that man and that doctrine- om nama shevaya.

Anonymous said...

Having spent time in the halls of Waldorf schools, the following is a fair/accurate assessment of Rudolf Steiner:

http://www.skepdic.com/steiner.html

Raniere copped a lot of Steiner's ideas, but never gives credit.

Anonymous said...

Who gives a flying crap if Raniere has his name on anything?

If any of the females in my family was molested in some manner by this pedophile, he wouldn't know WTF would be coming to him.

What is wrong with you people?

Mercy is for those who make mistakes and then are repentant for it. Not for those who keep committing the same acts over and over again.

A man was caught for stealing in a government ruled by a just leader. He begged for mercy from this leader to not submit him to the punishment of the law because he claimed it was the first time he committed it. The leader called him a liar. He said it was only because the man kept doing it that he was caught. Why? Because God hides the sins of those who err out of human nature, giving them a chance to return back to course. It's only the iniquitous who get exposed and are caught.

Anonymous said...

This is really too bad because it is a unique program that is well respected. I'm happy to know the people you spoke with were so honest.

Anonymous said...

Reading more about the controversy surrounding these Waldorph schools and the rather bizarre founder, Steiner, is eye popping indeed. These are far more than just a chain of seemingly exclusive and expensive private schools. The entire organization exhibits more than a few characteristics of a cult. Parents considering this school should do so very cautiously. Steiner had some rather bizarre ideas and some could be very dangerous to practice on young minds.

Peel back the onion a few layers and something rather insidious begins to emerge. Be forewarned.

Anonymous said...

The cancer called nxivm is so very deeply infested into Saratoga, in all sorts of places.

After this Waldorf example has been discussed on here, I shall send in the name of another organization for similar exploration.

How long is statute of limitations for child molestation in NY? said...

There's been some talk on this forum about raniere being a child molester.

What is the statute of limitation in ny regards to that ? I would imagine the victims are well in their 40's or 30's by now.
Isn't statute 5-7 years ??
thanks

Sorry for my poor english said...

12:37 PM : That's weird. I can see Raniere as a crook, a third class money and sex addicted guru, a talented liar... But a child molester, that's really weird.

Thanks John for the lasts excellent posts. I have few time to contribute but I read every day.

Very concerned parent said...

I spoke with 4 college admissions officers; 2 of which are at ivy league schools. All 4 were very aware of these Waldorph schools and look at applicants from them with very wary eyes. I'd sure think twice about sending any of my kids to any of these institutions.

Anonymous said...

4:20

Agree with you that Raniere is not healthy, and would like to see him pay for the pain he has inflicted, but you state as fact something you have no way of knowing. Also talking extermination is as bad as Coffey talking hanging.

Besides the New York Supreme Court declared capital punishment unconstitutional in 2004, and again in 2007

So we can't go there.

Peace

Anonymous said...

Talk about a fox in the chick house!

Re: Comments on this story, where are all these presumptions of innocence (i.e. "Raniere does not focus on prepubescent girls" or exceding statutes of limitation (i.e. "imagine victims must be in their 30's or 40's by now") on the pedophile issue coming from?

Past comments on this blog have layed out the statutes for New York, if someone really wants to know. Or just go straight to the New York statutes official site. 5 - 7 years is not the limit, depending on the age of the victim, the perpetrator, the circumstances, etc. For example, someone under psychological treatment or psuedo-psychological treatment such as NXIVM offers has more leeway on statutes, etc.

But, sorry, smells like some of these comments are a diversion or suppression of justice and truth seekers. If you know of or are a victim, speak your truth whether or not its prosecutable. If anything, the zebra hasn't changed his stripes, he's become more of a jackass over the years. And more recent child victims may have, or are suffering for it.

Pete Karaiskos said...

Um... you could replace every occurrence of "NXIVM" with the word "Anthroposophy" and the entire blog would STILL make total sense... right up to the breaking-up of families, the cult activities and threatening/blackmailing atmosphere that permeates many Waldorf schools - especially the one I was involved with - Highland Hall. I know nothing of NXIVM (first time I've heard of it), but it sounds very similar to how Anthroposophy is applied at some Waldorf schools... with their share of pedophiles and all. Waldorf can get very ugly - even without the influence of NXIVM. Beware!!!

nxivm is like a spreading cancer great analogy said...

This post is directed to the poster that mentions nxivm spreading like cancer.
Interesting observation.
My wife and myself were visiting albany few years back. We were staying at the marrior hotel on wolf road right outside of the airport.

When we got dressed in the morning and went downstairs to the lobby we asked the friendly lady to give us directions to 455 new karner (I may have mispelled the address it's been a long time)
We were going to our first and only intensive and it was our first time in Albany. As soon as we told the women the name and address she turned red and then white. She really looked like something was wrong with her. We couldn't figure out what we said or if we upset her somehow. She composed herself and told me in a very sweet way that she gets asked about that place alot and that she thought we were nice people and deserved to know the truth. She told us that there's alot of talk around town about NXIVM and how they are a cult and how her friends were part of it for a while. But she was talking about it like it was a big part of albany's social society, and she did say they are everywhere. We never came back after that one intensive but I have to say that lady knew what she was talking about and I agree they are like cancer that needs to be cut out asap.

Anonymous said...

Hows the neck doing Fat Boy.... I hear you are seeking some help with all those sore muscles.

Have you given yourself whiplash yet from looking over your shoulders?

You know they are coming... don't you. Not any angery husband, fathers, mothers, other family members, friends or or the like of.

It's the big boys and girls... the law.... that is coming after you Fat Boy. Manson didn't kill Sharon Tate and her friends but he's in prison for what his followers did to them.

You know you are in the same legal boat as Manson.... don't you. Murder... maybe not, but you know what you have done.

It's hard to keep a lid on such lies, acts of emtional volience and all those crimes.... andso many over the decades.

A sore neck is the least of your problems but I'm sure you can get some hunk hunk of burning love to massage that for you in prison. You know he will want his happy ending after a rub down.

You reap what you sow....

Anonymous said...

Very unusual that you, Mr.Blogger, (a talented internet detective), would have overlooked some recent court filings ag. your favorite nemesis, KR & Nxivm. Wondering why, since you must know they are out there.

Ben lives on said...

oh I have them my friend and soon you will too.

Anonymous said...

4:19

Waldorf education is not about the race to the top of the heap via going to an elite college. There's much more to it.

See: http://www.americans4waldorf.org/Arguments.html

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On the value of a college degree, this is from Paul Thiel, Pay Pal founder on the way Americans have group hallucinated themselves into believing a college education will pave the way to success.

"Education is a bubble in a classic sense. To call something a bubble, it must be overpriced and there must be an intense belief in it…. [W]hen people make a mistake in taking on an education loan, they’re legally much more difficult to get out of than housing loans. With housing, typically they’re non-recourse—you can just walk out of the house. With education, they’re recourse, and they typically survive bankruptcy. If you borrowed money and went to a college where the education didn’t create any value, that is potentially a really big mistake…. I estimate that 70 to 80 percent of the colleges in the U.S. are not generating a positive return on investment."

"The Great Recession ...is helping to bring the education bubble to a head. When parents have invested enormous amounts of money in their kids’ education, to find their kids coming back to live with them — well, that was not what they bargained for. So the crazy bubble in education is at a point where it is very close to unraveling."

Read more here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/257531

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Waldorf education teaches how to live life, not climb to the top of the pile. Problems exist in all schools.

Any effort to get NXIVM out of the local Waldorf school is a good thing.

Sorry for my poor english said...

Wooohooo ! :@ I didn't knew that Steiner schools were just one 'fruit' of the creator of Anthroposophy, I've never been told of Anthroposophy before....

Here Steiners are quite well renowned private schools and I know some people they were in : No problems of any sort, a good cursus and good results. I agree with Anon 9:53 : Problems exist in all schools... And in spite of the whackoo philosophy of the founder, I think I could put my kids in providing there is no NXIVM stuff !

The non-NXIVM-style quote of the day :
You may deceive all the people part of the time, and part of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln

(N.B. : Result of the quote game of previous posts/comments : A. Hitler)

Anonymous said...

I suppose that IF you don't care if your child achieves admission to a good college or university AND is potentially exposed to the teachings of a dangerous, sex obsessed raving lunatic like Keith Raniere AND as parents you are likely to be pressured to attend expensive brainwasing classes of ESP, then I guess the Waldorph is right up your alley.

Of course, there is precedent. Scientology founder and lunatic L. Ron Hubbard, himself founded an education network, including his insidious DELPHI SCHOOLS to train good little Scientology zombies indoctrinated into Scientolgy nonsense. Looks like Raniere wasn't patient enough to found his own school system from scratch, so he's decided to just infiltrate and take over one already in operation. Now he can raise his own army of Vanguard mini-me's in his own image. Village of the Damned anyone?

These poor parents are being hoodwinked and manipulated and the children are the true victims. Sad.

Can someone say Pulitzer? said...

If any reporters are following John's great work here, an investigative effort I to NXIVM's infiltration and attempts to use this private school as a re ruiting tool and/or as an indoctrination effort could be Pulitzer material. Of course, if successful, giving Mr. Tight due credit would seem warranted.

Anonymous said...

The apparent attempts directed by Keith Raniere to absorb a school with a large population of affluent students makes all kinds of sense. Anyone familiar with Raniere's disdain for teachers understands he sees teachers as vulnerable to molding to implement their use to impart his ideas into the young and to recruit parents into his brainwashing Programs.

He considers those who become teachers as the lower tier of intelligence and easily manipulated to accept his doctrine and made to pass along his teachings. Taking over the minds, not to mention the bank accounts, of well to do parents, has obvious advantages to his demonstrated motives. Several of the school's board members have co siderable wealth and he must be planning for the inevitable loss of the Bronfman money as he churns through it or the family wises up and abandons him.

The replacement of access to such funding has to be foremost in his plans to move foreword. With income from ESP drying up, he needs to focus on new recurring revenue streams. Of course, the increasing efforts in Mexico can not be discounted. There is untapped wealth there to be exploited and Raniere's known disdain for "dumb Mexicans" (his words) is legendary and he must view targets in Mexico as easy game. He must be desperate and highly focused on procuring control of significant wealth to replace the inevitable loss of access to the Bronfman money.

Anonymous said...

My children have gone to Waldorf for 3 years and there has been zero attempt to recruiting my family for the organization you've discussed.

And of course you felt sorry for the teachers 'in a strange way'. Taking care of children is a mostly thankless and extremely grueling job with, I suspect, very little pay. After spending a weekend with my children, cooped up in the house during the winter, I'm about ready to go bonkers.

As far as I can tell, and from what I have seen first hand, Waldorf is a very nurturing environment for the young child and the teachers are in no way manipulating or indoctrinating the youngsters outside of reading fantasy stories about giants and gnomes.

Ben lives on said...

Of course I welcome comments defending the Waldorf school and I purposely refrained from mentioning the teachers names for fear they would face retaliation for their candor.
Waldorf Administration is welcome to write a rebuttal and I will put it front page. Sent to
kaisersoze1914@mail.ru

Anonymous said...

5:25

It is obvious you care about the welfare of children and that's good, but you are weak on facts.

This is from a 2005 report on Waldorf high school graduates:

http://www.waldorflibrary.org/Journal_Articles/Graduateresearch.pdf


What Types of Colleges Accept Waldorf Graduates?


Over the course of this survey, Waldorf graduates were accepted by 717 accredited colleges and universities,

Following are top ten colleges in accepting Waldorf graduates. 1995–2004,

Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH 82
Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 72
University of California-Santa Cruz, CA 57
University of Colorado, Boulder, CO 56
Hampshire College, Amherst, MA 55
Lewis & Clark College, Portland, OR 48
Earlham College, Richmond, IN 45
Sarah Lawrence College, Bronxville, NY 45
Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs, NY 44
Capilano College, N. Vancouver, CANADA 43

A Waldorf education is a quality education.

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Evenso, there is a larger question our society needs to ask, is college really worth it, Many are saying it may not be. Remind yourself Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg did not finish college. Just is not all it is cracked up to be.

See recent research "Academically Adrift"

http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/17/academically-adrift/

■“gains in critical thinking, complex reasoning, and writing skills (i.e., general collegiate skills) are either exceedingly small or empirically non-existent for a large proportion of students”;

■36 percent of students experienced no significant improvement in learning (as measured by the CLA) over four years of schooling;

■less than one-half of seniors had completed over 20 pages of writing for a course in the prior semester;

■total time spent in academic pursuits is 16 percent; students are academically engaged, typically, well under 30 hours per week;

■scholarship from earlier decades suggest there has been a sharp decline in both academic work effort and learning;

■“students…majoring in traditional liberal-arts fields…demonstrated significantly higher gains in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing skills over time than students in other fields of study. Students majoring in business, education, social work , and communications had the lowest measurable gains”;

■35 percent of the students sampled spent five hours or less a week studying alone; the average for all students was under 9 hours.

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What Waldorf provides other educations do not is context, meaning beyond chasing the almighty dollar.

Anonymous said...

A relative sent their child to the Waldorf school and at age 9 the child showed no signs of wanting to read. Althought the parents had brought this up many times through K, 1, 2 and 3 grade, the school was unconcerned about it until she was in 4th grade, at which time,her parents pulled her out of the school and homeschooled her to prepare her for public school a year later. I, personally, would have been concerned and pulled her out in 1st grade, but they bought into the Waldorf school's philosophy.

Another family I know of did pull their child out in 2nd grade for financial reasons and the kid wasn't able to keep up academically in public school. She also carried on so badly about attending public school (vomiting at the bus stop every day) they sent her back.

I also know many graduates and they are not chasing the almighty dollar for sure... they work at minimum wage jobs. I'm sure there are some in college, but not he ones I know of.

As a parent, if I'm paying tuition at a private school, I would hope for a better return on my money.

Lets take it down a notch said...

I've never heard anything negative about the Waldorf schools except that their somewhat unique approach to education does make it difficult for the child to transfer to another school. There is certainly something to be said for educating the whole child as opposed to educating to a test. I also agree that teachers in private schools do tend to be underpaid and with much fewer benefits than their public school counterparts. It sounds like the school in Saratoga is also a victim of NXIVM. By focusing on the Waldorf Schools the NXIVM folks have, perhaps unfairly, brought negative attention to these schools. This is especially unfortunate as this is the time of year when people enroll their children for next year. I always thought some of the Waldorf programs were a little liberal for my tastes but otherwise I'm sure they are sincerely trying to give these children a good start.

Anonymous said...

11:48

Ease up on yourself, life does not come with a guaranteed return on investment. It is what it is.

Did you catch this news item? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8ohlIAzG0

Peace

Another reason Raniere should marry Salzman said...

Salzman has been waiting in the wings to be his #1 and since Ivy isn’t his true #1 anymore I hear the postion of his #1 is open.

Ever since they spent those 4 days and nights together where he brainwashed her into believing he was the great and power VanGod she has wanted to be his # 1 and have him back in her sweet wet nurse arms.

If they were married he could convince her to take the fall for her and she wouldn't have to legally testify against him.

Just a thought VanFraud

Very haunting tales about you looking over your shoulders. Hows your neck doing?

Anonymous said...

Good Lord, I'm all for punishing VanTwit to the max. But making him marry Nurse Nancy sounds like it would really be cruel and unusual punishment. Didn't she say that her 2nd hubby left her for another man?

And what if VanTwit gets Lauren Salzman pregnant after he marries her mom? Wouldn't that make the kid Nancy's step-child and grand child at the same time?

Way too complicated...

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Ivy at one time The One, who was supposed to deliver Vanguard's child?

It's obvious that Raniere is shooting blanks, give the long lineup of these fruitless sperm receptacles and the fact he needed to resort to the kidnapping - excuse me: adoption -- of the child that is being mentally transfigured now.

It amazes me how someone like Ivy can just accept being tossed aside as the Genius steps over her and turn his attention to her assistant. Jealousy is not alloiwed. Very Manson like.

That's the part the Nxivm Nine didn't learn.

Anonymous said...

10:47

Those stats for schools accepting Waldorf students are six years old. How long have NXIVM people been involved in Waldorf? If it has only been in the last six years, then those stats are irrelevant. I wish you had stats for recent graduates.

Anonymous said...

That dance place where Ivy "works" seems shut down. No signs of life there any time I've been to Fred's to get my dead meat!

Also, doesn't Raniere know that lack of protein cuts sperm counts AND can contribute to flaccidity.

Anonymous said...

From what I've been able to discern, Waldorf Staff only focuses on wealthy parents for recruitment. Doesn't do them much good to recruit middle class people to buy those expensive classes or to land the big bucks to replace the Bronfman money as it dries up.

Anonymous said...

Jesus said: "Beware of false prophets. By your fruits ye shall know them."

Jesus lived by "the Law". Let's list some of them:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;"

"Do not have any other gods before me."

Vanguard believes his will should be done, i.e. he is god in his little world. False prophet? Check.

"You shall not bow down to them or worship them;"

Vanguard believes that people should bow to him. False prophet? Check.

"For six days you shall labour and do all your work."

Vanguard doesn't work for a living. He simply lives off of other people's money. False prophet? Check.

"You shall not kill/murder."

Vanguard has stated that he has had people killed as depicted in the video John has posted on this site. False prophet? Check.

"Neither shall you commit adultery."

Does this even need to be explained? False prophet? Check.

"Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor."

Vanguard seems to persistently lie through his teeth. False prophet? Check.

"Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife."

Vanguard may not covet his neighbor's wife per se, but he seems to covet every woman he finds attractive. If she is hot enough, and happens to be his neighbor, I'm pretty sure he'd try to recruit her into NXIVM for such purposes. False prophet? Check.

So there you have it:

Raniere is simply a scam artist, i.e. a false prophet. From scam artist business man to scam artist ethical man. The only thing consistent with him is he's a scam artist.

Anonymous said...

Jesus said: "Beware of false prophets. By their* fruits ye shall know them."

Re-quoted to be more accurate.

West Side Supporter said...

John,

Great reporting on Waldorf! It is time for us to explore other ways in which NXIVM has infiltrated institutions in Saratoga.

For example, the last time we had the charter change battle, the cult had serious fingers in the Valerie/Charter Change group. Likewise, NXIVM took control of the local democratic party.

Let's explore the cult impact on our small town.

West Side Supporter

Ben lives on said...

So now not only do the Bronfman brats have to pay Coffey to lurk on this blog.They have to pay the California shyster of the year

So lets give a warm Saratoga in Decline welcome to Crock O'Shit

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Anonymous said...

Here's the latest brain fart on Twitter from the marvelous Sarah Bronfman:
_______________________________________________
G'night & g'bye to an amazing week of f-f-f-feeling & to all the wonderful friends I shared it with. I'm in awe of my life!
twitter.com/sarabronfman/status/30186168461041664
_______________________________________________
It must be nice to be perpetually stuck at the age of 15!

Anonymous said...

8:49

Sara tweets

How about the way Sara and fellow NXIVM leader are naming their non-existent children without partner involvement for childish. If they WERE teenagers, it could be seen as charming, but they are adults.

“@alexbetancourtl: Hoy por primera vez en mi vida hice una lista de nombres para mis hijos(as) @sarabronfman” que coincidencia, yo también! about 8 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

alexbetancourtl: Today for the first time in my life I made a list of names for my child (ren) @ sarabronfman "what a coincidence, me too! about 8 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

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So cult like, seen it before. Guru butting into your most intimate affairs. Such dependency. Can't even f***k without Raniere's ok. Raniere will have to approve/arrange the sperm/egg donations. So mechanical.

Anonymous said...

As these comments begin to get ridiculous---and people's biases come more clearly into the fore---its worth the time to shore up our facts.

The anonymous poster who said "It sounds like the school in Saratoga is also a victim of NXIVM" summarizes the situation best. Afterall, our intrepid blogger verifies that the school forthrightly addressed the situation even after being questioned about it at a prospective parent's meeting. Our blogger says "They admitted there was a NXIVM problem at the school. They told me there were about eight hard-core NXIVM families that had been repeatedly told they cannot recruit at the school" and that he felt sorry for the teachers. Later in this thread someone else claimed that the local democratic party was run over by NXIVM and someone else claimed that it was clear to him/her that NXIVM has run through the higher social circles of the community in a, shall we say, virulent way.

So, my reading of the facts is that we are dealing with an organization that is pursuing its goals aggressively and is having much success in a variety of areas in the community. Why cast aspersions at one local institution or another when it is clearly NXIVM who should be the focus? Each time you do that you lose focus. While I suppose its possible that these organizations that have been touched are working as mouthpieces for NXIVM, given Raniere's modus operandi it seems much more likely that he is using his persuasive powers to get members to infiltrate groups that tend to me more "open" than tightly bounded such as, say, Mormons who would explicitly reject something that didn't have to do with the Book of Mormon and Mormon ways of interpreting the Bible. Some groups are easier to infiltrate than others but that doesn't mean that the victims (ie the local democratic party, this private school) have anything inherently wrong with them. They are victims. The more you fall into the trap of scrutinizing these places rather than coming up with positive ways to help them/work with them, the more you help Raniere escape blame. Its classic deflection.

Anonymous said...

This "wonderful week of feeling" that takes place and follows these intensives (for a limited time period) are classic brainwashing/thought reform techniques. They seem to be related more than just tangentially in some manner to a drug addiction, providing "highs" that these participants feel the desire or need to repetitively engage in. The problem is, from a participant's perspective, they don't relate this pseudo-addiction to the perniciousness of "drug abuse", because the "high" isn't the same "high" that one receives from the latter. Being subtle, i.e. "the boling of the frog", it's also not "immediately dangerous", having the negative bodily or other types of repercussions that is common to drug usage. It's framed in pedagogical sophistry with an illusory ethical basis, underhandedly appealing to the good of human nature for ulterior motives: a new age mumbo-jumbo defined or essentially ripped off (from other "Scientology"-like cults) by a conman, making it manipulation to a very high degree, for the purposes of money, sex, and ego validation.

Anonymous said...

Wow... I think that Ben and the majority of ye commentiers are amazingly hypocritical. I hope you understand that you talking about ESP brainwashing is just as believable as Rudolf Stainers' mind reading...
By creating awful websites like this you become the very things you hate.
I have never been nor never will be a member or partaker in NXIVM but i think its important to say that in the end the members of these organizations are still just people. Why, are all of you readers so afraid. You act like NXIVM people are terrorists. We are gonna have the Saratoga Witch trials soon if you guys don't stop... Ben, go join Fox News and save some lives. People need too stick together now more then ever. These kind of things will just slow us down.

Anonymous said...

Hey @10:31, the brainwashing assertions weren't pulled out of our ass.

See a Ph.D's analysis of ESP here:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/esp/esp11.html

Yes, he was sued by Raniere...cough...I mean NXIVM.

London Waldorf Hotel said...

"Beware of false prophets. By their* fruits ye shall know them." What is this? I'm sick of maniacs. OK you believe. But why are you trying to force me believe?

Anonymous said...

Can't say I know much about Scharff, however I am a bit familiar with Lindig Lautenberg. She's been involved with various enlightenment cults for some time. I doubt she would admit it. A hidden agenda? Probably so. As well, her reputation with men leaves something to be desired.

Anonymous said...

My husband and two children are considering moving to Saratoga Springs for the next school year and were considering the Waldorf School but now seriously doubt that after reading this blog.
My daughter will be in 7th grade and my son in 5th grade next year.
Would really welcome recommendations and opinions of those who know the local schools.
?

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Anonymous said...

I currently attend the Saratoga Waldorf school, (I've been there for 6 years), and have never heard any of the teachers or parents mention NXIVM. The school isn't perfect, but no one has ever attemped to recruit me into this program...

Anonymous said...

I am currently a student at the Saratoga Waldorf High School and have never heard any of the faculty or staff mention NXIVM.

I've attended the school for 9 years, and no one has ever attempted to involve me in NXIVM. While I know some of the people mentioned in this article, I wasn't even aware of their involvement until now.

My experience at this school has been generally positive, and if anyone there is attempting to brainwash me, they are extremely discreet.