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Friday, February 4, 2011

Transparency and NXIVM

We the legal team at Saratoga in Decline take our rights to free speech, open courts and freedom of the press very seriously. Also being Irish we have a long tradition of being rebellious and bullheaded. We are also no stranger to the civil courts in this country. Irish also have an expression that we will not be beaten down like wheat. Which translated means we will push back and fight back if provoked. Even when facing impossible odds we will continue to fight until our enemies give up out of pure exhaustion. We simply don’t surrender and don’t give up.
Now as a public service to all of you fighting the evil beast NXIVM, and knowing that some of you like Susan Dones are fighting Pro Se and even to the paid attorneys fighting NXIVM with no disrespect meant. We have prepared our own guide to arguing your rights that all your Court proceedings including motions be open .Hope this helps.


And to our anonymous posters, remember you have every right not to include your name and we on this blog will do all we can to protect your identity now and in the future.
The Staff

And remember NXIVM devotees, what was the only thing the Dali Lama told Raniere and the Bronfman brats. So why are they fighting so hard to keep everything secret?

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The basic principle in NY law is that all Court proceedings including motions are open:*
In order to make this more simple to understand
Yes it means any third part can make a motion to unseal records.
See
Delaware Bankruptcy Court Grants Newspaper’s Motion to Unseal Settlement Agreements

Here

The principle favoring public access to court proceedings is firmly rooted in the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and in Federal and State case law.
Richmond Newspapers, Inc. v. Virginia, 448 U.S. 555, 100 S.Ct. 2814, 65 L.Ed.2d 973; Matter of Westchester Rockland Newspapers v. Leggett, 48 N.Y.2d 430, 423 N.Y.S.2d 630, 399 N.E.2d 518; People v. Jelke, 308 N.Y. 56, 123 N.E.2d 769. It is also embodied, with qualification, in New York State Judiciary Law, Section 4, which states: “The sittings of every court within this state shall be public, and every citizen may freely attend the same....” Courts have found that an open forum serves to protect the accused from “secret inquisitional techniques” and unjust prosecution by governmental authorities and goes to insuring the accused a fair trial; People v. Jelke, supra at 62, 123 N.E.2d 769; Matter of Westchester Rockland Newspapers v. Leggett, supra at 437, 423 N.Y.S.2d 630, 399 N.E.2d 518
; and that access to court proceedings promotes public confidence in the judicial process.

Globe Newspaper Co. v. Superior Court for Norfolk County, 457 U.S. 596, 102 S.Ct. 2613, 73 L.Ed.2d 248.
Thus both statutory and case law recognize a presumption of openness that while not absolute, may be overcome only by a finding that closure is essential to preserve higher values and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest.
Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court of California, 464 U.S. 501, 104 S.Ct. 819, 78 L.Ed.2d 629; Globe Newspaper Co. v. Superior Court, supra at 606-607, 102 S.Ct. at 2619-2620; Matter of Westchester Rockland Newspapers v. Leggett, supra at 442, 423 N.Y.S.2d 630, 399 N.E.2d 518.


The following is an excerpt from the 2nd Circuit case of Huminski v. Corsones
396 F.3d 53
C.A.2 (Vt.),2005.
January 18, 2005 (Approx. 43 pages)
The Northern District of NY sits in the 2nd Circuit. The 2nd Circuit is the appellate Court which hears all appeals in the 2nd Circuit and is just below the US Supreme Court.
“For many centuries, both civil and criminal trials have traditionally been open to the public.”
Id. at 386 n. 15, 99 S.Ct. 2898; see also Richmond Newspapers, Inc. v. Virginia, 448 U.S. 555, 580 n. 17, 100 S.Ct. 2814, 65 L.Ed.2d 973 (1980); Publicker Indus., Inc. v. Cohen, 733 F.2d 1059, 1066, 1068-70 (3d Cir.1984)

(detailing the history of public access to civil trials and records). This has been so in this country from the time of its founding, and both here and in England during Colonial times.
“This is no quirk of history; rather, it has long been recognized as an indispensable attribute of an Anglo-American trial.” Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 569, 100 S.Ct. 2814.


The law plays a pervasive role in our society, and the trial is its most visible manifestation. Where for lawyers the law is found in the reporters, treatises, and statutes, for the public the epitome of legal drama is the trial. Celebrated trials compete for space in the newspapers, inspiring countless repetitions and revisions in novels, on television, and in the movies. For the general public it is in these cases ... that the law itself is on trial, quite as much as the cause which is to be decided. Holding court in public thus assumes a unique significance in a society that commits itself to the rule of law.

Note, Trial Secrecy and the First Amendment Right of Public Access to Judicial Proceedings, 91 Harv. L.Rev. 1899, 1923 (1978)
(footnotes, alterations, and internal quotation marks omitted) [hereinafter Trial Secrecy ]. Therefore, there is a strong societal interest in public trials. Openness in court proceedings may improve the quality of testimony, induce unknown witnesses to come forward with relevant testimony, cause all trial participants to perform their duties more conscientiously, and generally give the public an opportunity to observe the judicial system.


Gannett Co., 443 U.S. at 383, 99 S.Ct. 2898; accord Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 569, 100 S.Ct. 2814; Westmoreland v. Columbia Broadcasting Sys., Inc., 752 F.2d 16, 23 (2d Cir.1984), cert. denied, 472 U.S. 1017, 105 S.Ct. 3478, 87 L.Ed.2d 614 (1985); Publicker Indus., Inc., 733 F.2d at 1070; cf. Waller, 467 U.S. at 46, 104 S.Ct. 2210 (discussing the value of openness in the context of the Sixth Amendment right to a public trial).
Such openness to the public can also “foster[ ] an appearance of fairness,”
Globe Newspaper Co. v. Superior Court, 457 U.S. 596, 606, 102 S.Ct. 2613, 73 L.Ed.2d 248 (1982), and thereby “boost[ ] community trust in the administration of justice,” Brown v. Artuz, 283 F.3d 492, 498-99 (2d Cir.2002); accord Publicker Indus., Inc., 733 F.2d at 1070
(“Public proceedings are the means by which [a] testimonial of trustworthiness is achieved.”).

A result considered untoward may undermine public confidence, and where the trial has been concealed from public view an unexpected outcome can cause a reaction that the system at best has failed and at worst has been corrupted. To work effectively, it is important that society's [judicial] process satisfy the appearance of justice, and the appearance of justice can best be provided by allowing people to observe it.

Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 571-72, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).
And when the “theatre of justice,” Trial Secrecy, supra, at 1923 (internal quotation marks and footnote omitted), does not progress or end consistently with what a member of the public, or public opinion at large, deems proper, citizens can attempt to initiate reform.
Id.FN29

FN29. Although an argument might be crafted that putative gadfly Huminski is an example of the “lonely pamphleteer” with a claim on “liberty of the press” posited by Justice White in Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U.S. 665, 704, 92 S.Ct. 2646, 33 L.Ed.2d 626 (1972),
we make no distinction in our analysis between those who can legitimately assert that they are entitled to protection under the First Amendment's press clause and those who cannot.


Based on the history and purposes of maintaining public access to court proceedings, “a presumption of openness inheres in the very nature of a ... trial under our system of justice.” Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 573, 100 S.Ct. 2814. Therefore, “the right to attend criminal trials is implicit in the guarantees of the First Amendment
; without the freedom to attend such trials, which people have exercised for centuries, important aspects of freedom of speech and of the press could be eviscerated.” Id. at 580, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (citation and internal quotation marks omitted). We too have held that “the First Amendment ... secure[s] to the public and to the press a right of access to civil proceedings.” Westmoreland, 752 F.2d at 22 (reviewing the caselaw with the introductory comment, “There is, to be sure, an abundance of support in the cases for a constitutionally grounded public right of access to the courtroom.”); accord Hartford Courant Co. v. Pellegrino, 371 F.3d 49, 57 (2d Cir.2004) (applying principles of First Amendment rights of access to courts to conclude that there is a “qualified First Amendment right to inspect [civil] docket sheets, which provide an index to the records of judicial proceedings”); Publicker Indus., Inc., 733 F.2d at 1061 (“We hold that the First Amendment does secure a right of access to civil proceedings.”).FN30


FN30. Although the Supreme Court has not yet ruled on the applicability of the constitutional presumption of access to civil cases, in Richmond Newspapers, where the Court first clearly recognized a First Amendment right of access to courts, six of the eight sitting Justices clearly implied that the right applies to civil cases as well as criminal ones. See Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 580 n. 17, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (Burger, C.J.) (plurality opinion) (“Whether the public has a right to attend trials of civil cases is a question not raised by this case, but we note that historically both civil and criminal trials have been presumptively open.”); id. at 596, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (Brennan, J., concurring in the judgment) (referring to the value of open proceedings in civil cases); id. at 599, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (Stewart, J., concurring in the judgment) (“[T]he First and Fourteenth Amendments clearly give the press and the public a right of access to trials themselves, civil as well as criminal.”).

2. The Individual's Right of Access to the Courts. Both the Supreme Court and this Court have with some frequency articulated principles regarding the First Amendment right of access to court proceedings and papers. But, remarkably, the parties do not point us to, nor have we ourselves found, a Supreme Court or Second Circuit opinion that has discussed this right in the context of the exclusion of an identified individual member of the public or press, rather than the barring of the public or the press at large, from court proceedings to which that individual is not a party. Cf. Beerman, 18 F.3d at 152 (concluding, in the context of a suit claiming that a single individual was denied access to criminal proceedings in violation of the First Amendment, that the individual was not denied access, and therefore having no need to determine whether the right of access covered the exclusion of an individual). We have no doubt, nonetheless, that an identified non-party such as Huminski who is denied access to court has and can assert a presumed right of access even if he or she is the only person excluded.FN31

FN31. Posr v. Court Officer Shield # 207, 180 F.3d 409 (2d Cir.1999), is not to the contrary. Although we said there that “the right of access to the courts has been interpreted to belong solely to litigants or those seeking to be litigants, and a plaintiff may state a claim for denial of access only if the defendant's actions hindered the pursuit of a legal claim,” id. at 414 (rejecting the claim of a plaintiff who was denied access to courtroom proceedings as an observer) (citing Monsky v. Moraghan, 127 F.3d 243, 247 (2d Cir.1997), cert. denied, 525 U.S. 823, 119 S.Ct. 66, 142 L.Ed.2d 52 (1998)), the statement was made with regard to other bases for a right of access-such as the Sixth Amendment right of access, a First Amendment right to petition for redress, a right of access under the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV, section 2, or the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments-not the First Amendment right of access.

First, the rights accorded by the First Amendment provide quintessential protection for the individual. In fashioning principles of access rights to the courts under the First Amendment, the Supreme Court has therefore apparently assumed that such rights are personal and may be asserted by an identified excluded individual. See, e.g., Globe Newspaper Co., 457 U.S. at 603-04, 102 S.Ct. 2613 (“The Court's recent decision in Richmond Newspapers firmly established for the first time that the press and general public have a constitutional right of access to criminal trials.... By offering such protection, the First Amendment serves to ensure that the individual citizen can effectively participate in and contribute to our republican system of self-government.”); Richmond Newspapers, Inc., 448 U.S. at 600, 100 S.Ct. 2814 (Stewart, J., concurring in the judgment) (describing “the [qualified] First Amendment right of members of the public and representatives of the press to attend civil and criminal trials”); see also Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court, 464 U.S. 501, 508, 104 S.Ct. 819, 78 L.Ed.2d 629 (1984) ( “ Press-Enterprise I ”) (speaking of “the [First Amendment] right of everyone in the community to attend the voir dire ” portion of a criminal trial).

Second, the exclusion of any person undermines right-of-access principles in much the same way, if not to the same extent, as a blanket denial of access does: You cannot “foster[ ] an appearance of fairness,” Globe Newspaper Co., 457 U.S. at 606, 102 S.Ct. 2613, thereby “boost[ing] community trust in the administration of justice,” Brown, 283 F.3d at 498-99, unless any member of the public-not only members of the public selected by the courts themselves-may come and bear witness to what happens beyond the courtroom door.

A person singled out for exclusion from the courtroom, who is thereby barred from first-hand knowledge of what is happening there, moreover, is placed at an extraordinary disadvantage in his or her attempt to compete in the “marketplace of ideas” about the conduct of judges and the judicial system. Cf. Anderson v. Cryovac, Inc., 805 F.2d 1, 9 (1st Cir.1986) (holding that a district court's order protecting discovery materials from public disclosure with a limited exception for the producers of a particular television program violates other press outlets' First Amendment rights because “[a] court may not selectively exclude news media from access to information otherwise made available for public dissemination”); Am. Broadcasting Cos. v. Cuomo, 570 F.2d 1080, 1083 (2d Cir.1977) (holding, in a case involving the exclusion of a single television news network from live coverage of New York City post-mayoral Democratic Party primary runoff activities at the candidates' headquarters, that “once there is a public function, public comment, and participation by some of the media, the First Amendment requires equal access to all of the media or the rights of the First Amendment would no longer be tenable”); Sherrill v. Knight, 569 F.2d 124, 129-30 (D.C.Cir.1977) (stating in the context of a challenge to the issuance of White House press passes as arbitrary or content-based in violation of the First Amendment, that “[n]ot only newsmen and the publications for which they write, but also the public at large have an interest protected by the first amendment in assuring that restrictions on newsgathering be no more arduous than necessary, and that individual newsmen not be arbitrarily excluded from sources of information”).

Exclusion of an individual reporter also carries with it “[t]he danger [that] granting favorable treatment to certain members of the media ... allows the government to influence the type of substantive media coverage that public events will receive,” which effectively harms the public. Anderson, 805 F.2d at 9; see also Cuomo, 570 F.2d at 1083 (“If choice were allowed for discrimination in a public event ... in the various media, then we reject the contention that it is within the prerogative of a [government official]. We rather think that the danger would be that those of the media who are in opposition or who the [official] thinks are not treating him fairly would be excluded. And thus we think it is the public which would lose.”). “Neither the courts nor any other branch of the government can be allowed to affect the content or tenor of the news by choreographing which news organizations have access to relevant information.” Anderson, 805 F.2d at 9.

Finally, as the names of the cases in which the principles of access to courtrooms and court records have emerged demonstrate, the system of public justice depends on the willingness and ability of individual persons and entities to police the system by seeking access-through litigation if necessary-to courtrooms and court records that have been closed. Such a plaintiff cannot be expected to act out of pure altruism; access will likely be sought at least in part for the plaintiff's own purposes: in the case of a press organization, to obtain news and information for its dissemination to its audience. It seems doubtful to us, for example, that the Press-Enterprise Company would have litigated two court-access cases through the California court system to the Supreme Court, Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court, 478 U.S. 1, 106 S.Ct. 2735, 92 L.Ed.2d 1 (1986) (“ Press-Enterprise II ”), and Press-Enterprise I, 464 U.S. 501, 104 S.Ct. 819, 78 L.Ed.2d 629, unless there was a possibility that its publications' readers would benefit from information that might become publicly available as a result, or that NBC would have litigated access to the “Abscam” tapes in this Court without the expectation that, if successful, the network itself would be able to broadcast them, see In re Nat'l Broadcasting Co., 635 F.2d 945, 949 (2d Cir.1980) (relying on the common-law right of access to inspect and copy judicial records). The mechanism on which we rely to keep courts open thus depends on maintaining a motivation for private parties to seek access to courts through litigation by ensuring that a person who or entity that establishes openness obtains the benefit of it.

Huminski, we therefore conclude, had and has a presumed right of access to the state courthouses in Rutland.FN32

We note that the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit seems to have suggested a different outcome in United States v. McVeigh, 106 F.3d 325, 335-36 (10th Cir.1997) (per curiam), in which that court stated that “pertinent constitutional proscriptions are implicated only when, through orders closing proceedings, sealing documents, gagging participants and/or restricting press coverage, a trial court has deprived the public at large direct or indirect access to the trial process,” id. at 336.
That case, however, addressed a challenge to a witness-sequestration order preventing some of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing (who were also witnesses) from attending the criminal trial, and thus presented a court access issue distinct from the one now before us. The court there specifically noted that it did not “need [to and did] not address entirely distinct questions regarding the propriety and redress of trial exclusions implicating other constitutional values, such as equal protection or traditional free speech guarantees.” Id. at 335 n. 9.
We thus conclude that the McVeigh decision is not in conflict with our decision that Huminski can assert an individual right of access to the courts because the First Amendment interest at issue here was not addressed by that court.


3. Overcoming the Presumption of Access. What is called the “right” of access is, however, only a presumption of access. The Supreme Court has established the standard for measuring the constitutional propriety of a judicial court closure at the behest of a party to the proceedings despite the existence of that presumption.

[T]he circumstances under which the press and public can be barred from a ... trial are limited; the State's justification in denying access must be a weighty one.... [I]t must be shown that the denial is necessitated by a compelling ... interest, and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest.

Globe Newspaper Co., 457 U.S. at 606-07, 102 S.Ct. 2613 (criminal trial); see also Press-Enterprise II, 478 U.S. at 10, 106 S.Ct. 2735 (preliminary hearing); Press-Enterprise I, 464 U.S. at 505, 510, 104 S.Ct. 819 ( voir dire ). “The interest is to be articulated along with findings specific enough that a reviewing court can determine whether the closure order was properly*86 entered.” Press-Enterprise I, 464 U.S. at 510, 104 S.Ct. 819. “Broad and general findings by the trial court ... are not sufficient to justify closure.”
In re New York Times Co., 828 F.2d 110, 116 (2d Cir.1987), cert. denied, 485 U.S. 977, 108 S.Ct. 1272, 99 L.Ed.2d 483 (1988).
We have decided that to establish a compelling interest in the course of court proceedings, the movant must demonstrate “a substantial probability of prejudice to a compelling interest of the defendant, government, or third party, which closure would prevent,”

United States v. Doe, 63 F.3d 121, 128 (2d Cir.1995) (footnote and citation omitted), including “the defendant's right to a fair trial; privacy interests of the defendant, victims or other persons; the integrity of significant government activities entitled to confidentiality, such as ongoing undercover investigations or detection devices; and danger to persons or property,” id. (citations, internal quotation marks, and alterations omitted). The quantum of prejudice that the movant must show increases the more extensive the closure sought would be. Id. at 129. “When limited closure ... is at issue, the prejudice asserted need only supply a substantial reason for closure. When the closure sought is total or nearly so, the district court must find the prejudice to be overriding.” Id. (internal quotation marks omitted).

A court must, moreover, “consider whether alternatives were available to protect the interests of the [persons] that the ... court's orders sought to guard” for a closure to be found constitutional.
Press-Enterprise II, 464 U.S. at 511, 104 S.Ct. 819; see also Doe, 63 F.3d at 128. “[I]f such alternatives are found wanting, the district court should determine whether, under the circumstances of the case, the prejudice to the compelling interest overrides the qualified First Amendment right of access.” Id. (citation and internal quotation marks omitted).


Finally, when it is a court that determines “that closure is warranted, it should devise a closure order that, while not necessarily the least restrictive means available to protect the endangered interest, is narrowly tailored to that purpose.” .

*Remember we are not lawyers and don’t pretend to be. All info should be taken at face value and everyone should consult a fully licensed professional attorney

33 comments:

THAT Bob said...

I'm dizzy.

Getting ready to file my motions said...

Wow! Good job! So if I'm reading this right even if both parties request or agree that certain documents in one of these NXIVM cases be sealed anyone can bring a motion opposing the seal of the documents ie John Tighe, Odata, Susan Drones (even in a case other than her own), TU. This is great work. You are a true resource. Thanks.

Coffey said...

I've read this several times. I am dismayed. What does this have to do with EGYPT??!!?##@!?

Anonymous said...

Question:
What creatures prefer the dark - and actually shun the light?

Answer:
Rats, skunks, and NXIVM leaders and their attorneys.
______________________________________________

Bonus Question:
What self-proclaimed leader is about to be taken down by those that he has intimidated and totrtured for years?

Bonus Answers:
(a) Hosni Mubarek - Partial Credit (This is for Steve I-Used-To-Be-The-Man-But-Now-I'm-Just-John Tighe's-Bitch Coffey)

(b) Keith Alan Raniere amd all of the members of his "Inner Circle"

Ben lives on said...

What nothing better to do today Nancy than reed my blog? So what ya cooking Keith for dinner Nancy?
Let’s see Nancy you logged in at 5th February 2011 at 09:16:58 and out at 5th February 2011 at 10:48:56
You are using a Beautiful Mac OS X with a Safari 5.0 browser. Nice now don’t lose it. Maybe tomorrow I’ll tell the world what you’re thinking. You know I’m telepathic.

Nancy Salzman (24.103.176.66)
saratogaindecline.blogspot.com/
saratogaindecline.blogspot.com/2011/02/transparency-and-nxivm.html#comments

Ben lives on said...

On a more interesting note Sophidea has been on my site using a proxy that I could see through going back to ip 65.49.2.27 this

This IP addresses has been seen by at least one Honey Pot. However, none of its visits have resulted in any bad events yet. It's possible that this IP is just a harmless web spider or Internet user. If you know something about this IP or if you are Sophidea and want something contact me,
Sophidea Inc in Cheyenne, WY,is
apparently headed by a Gerarld Pitts who heads a number of other groups
at that street address. With some digging there are a few
suspicious cases of Internet activity emanating from affiliated
organizations in the past, but its tough to say this is nefarious by
association from what I've seen.

Someone who wants to see raniere is prison suit said...

I have a feeling that something bad is going to happen to raniere and his group in the not so distant future. Yes, I woke up at night and saw a prophet and he told me that raniere and salzman and keefe and the bronfman brats are about to get fucked so hard that it may actually make them normal again.
Honestly, bronfman brats are not used to being bothered with things like investigations, conspiracies, aiding and abbetting, wire fraud, and soooooooo many state and criminal violations that papa bronfman will have to step in and loan some money to his crazy daughters.

Sad sad sad for some and great for others.
Thank you John for doing a great job exposing these assholes for the criminals that they are.
Have a great weekend.

Sorry for my poor english said...

Apparently some NXIVM leaders are reading this blog.

I'd like to tell them something from deep of my heart because I have my own definition of 'compassion' :

You will never get enough from what you're living and doing now.

The more you will find your pleasure transgressing your own taboos, your own limits, your own inner morale and your empathic feelings, the more you will need to transgress it to get this strange feeling mixing shame, strong "arousal", and the feeling of being almighty... One day or another, maybe tomorrow, you will turn into your own slave, and you will be so disgusted by yourselves that there will be no happy end anymore for you. (Here I'm just talking about remorses AND regrets...)

You know that is true. You feel so confident, but deep inside of yourselves you know that is true, and you can't lie to yourselves about it !

Just think about it !

Your as captive as your devotees in your own cult.

Don't underestimate yourselves !

It's confortable here, you have the feedback, the reflect that you expect : I'm a bad dude and I don't feel no remorse, I'm not a victim nor a looser...

But life is full of somewhat/sometimes weird surprises !

When your followers touch the ground after a twisted honeymoon, let them go ! Stop your juridical harrasment and threats against your former members ! Just let them go ! You always have devotees, there will be always rich guys, hot chicks, heiresses they want to believe in fairies, unicorns, pink dragons...

Just look at Claude "Raël" Vorilhon's "business" : Money, sex, hot chicks... And everyone wants to stay in because it's less worse to them that living in the real world !

The ones they want to leave are welcome to do so (it isn't ?) and the critical ones are ignored !..

You don't feel confortable in a "average" life. You need to be deified, you need to be the center of the world ... and ... there will be always people they will want to believe in you.

If they feel ready to get back from the fantasy, JUST LET THEM GO. There will be always new, fresh and abnormaly submissive bags of bones.

Anonymous said...

These people need to pay for their actions. They can't go around hiring fancy lawyers to go and harass and abuse the legal system with their false representations and false lawsuits.

They are a big organized crime ring pretending to be ethical people, Coffey and Crockett will go down as representing criminals and will wear this tag their entire life.

Has Crockett visited this site said...

John,
Has Crockett or Latham and watkings been visiting this site ?

Sorry for my poor english said...

About the attorneys, I think that for some of them, it's not just about money anymore, for a while.

I think that some of them are under the cult influence.

Anonymous said...

Here's a 'What If' for readers to consider

Please bear with this comment before you have a visceral response and hit the send button. But that's ok too. 'It's all good' That's not really true, but give this idea some air for a New York minute, before judgment sets in.

'What If', even though paid, (hey why not take the cash of rich folk who DO NOT know the value of a dollar because they never had to work for it), 'What If' the Dalai Lama decided to come to Albany, despite all signs that Raniere was corrupt, to teach a lesson?

John's posting in this thread of the Lama's message to the Bronfmans rang a bell when I reread it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d_KhITjA_gA/TUzAbK3_7pI/AAAAAAAAB80/0HeJxzRO--w/s1600/makeclear.jpg

The philosophies of the East are full of teachers who taught by confounding behavior. 'What If' coming to Albany was really to unravel NXIVM for good?

Glad John posted the Lama's message to Albany. Direct refutation of Crockett and Coffey strategy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d_KhITjA_gA/TUzAbK3_7pI/AAAAAAAAB80/0HeJxzRO--w/s1600/makeclear.jpg

Give this idea a chance. Let it bake a little before you hit send. 'What If' the lama came to clean up NXIVM? This makes some sense because recent developments do not look good for the survival of the corrupt organization NXIVM.

Though NXIVM is crapola of the highest order, those involved are people. We remember this from our own good upbringing, yet it is utterly ironic that the philosophy of NXIVM teaches followers that some people are not worthy of respect and they can feel free to trash them, sue them, all behind the veil of Keith Raniere's ethics. That is the way of cults, down is up, black is white in the world of NXIVM.

Maybe the Lama was totally on to Keith Ranire's con and came to give blessings and set in motion the chain of events for it's demise. in any event it certainly looks like that day is coming. Not fast enough for some, but it is certainly coming.

I printed out the Lama's message provided by Saratoga In Decline graphics department. Coffey and Crockett should too. Put it on the fridge gentleman and when you look at it remember the legal precedents John has so graciously provided you. Wise up just a little.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d_KhITjA_gA/TUzAbK3_7pI/AAAAAAAAB80/0HeJxzRO--w/s1600/makeclear.jpg

Sorry for my poor english said...

@3:00PM : To me it's a lesson, because I let my negative emotions take the control over compassion.

I take it too personally and I'm lost in my anger.

My weakness is that I don't manage the feeling of 'wasted' things, especially when it's about minds, peoples, persons.

It makes me sick when a person is destroyed day after day by a vulgar scam that benefits of the freedom of religion or whatever.

To me, NXIVM is a lesson about compassion over anger.

And it's certainly not the Raniere's knick-knack 'compassion' definition.

Raniere and his fucking lexicon made of crap.

Here is my own whackoo fuse blow among all in here, the blackbirds ones they are concerned will now - Follow the sign and the truth thou shall find :

______________and\
_______________|__\
_______________|__/
______________you/

This is called HELL.

Sorry for my poor english said...

My last words : Good luck and much love from Geneva.

Anonymous said...

People here may be a bit too optomistic. I don't think raniere will go down without a big fight and that may take another 5 to 10 years. Just look at the lawsuits he engages, he doesn't want to accept defeat if it came and bit him in the ass.

Anonymous said...

If this guy Raniere believes he's some sort of deity, what other type of strange activities could he partake in? Witchcraft, magic, the occult? I've heard he likes to stay up late into the night into the early morning hours, and his abode is to put mildly, not very well kept nor clean...

Raniere is a smelly little mother fucker, and I mean that said...

Raniere is a slick willy,
he will try to put everyone in front of the bus and go out fighting.
He's a little rascal that needs to go to prison or a mental ward but he's going to spend every bit of bronfman money fighting any charges against him. He's probably preping them right now. He's going to make it look like the world is out to get him and make a global conspiracy out of it. The truth is he's a little sociopath that wants to be a big man.
Your not a big man raniere, you are a little coward, you fucked with the wrong people and you are about to get fucked.

Raniere is a real mother fucker said...

Raniere is a classic case of a man who had sex with his mother.(opinion only) Yes, it's sad but people don't become as crazy as to call themselves vanguard lie to everyone, can't deal with anyone unless they believe and approve of his ways, pretends he's a prophet, sexual maniac, without having some sad issues in the home. It's sad and unfortunate but most likely true based on his behavour. Keefe, probably has a serious bipolar disorder or something seriour to be doing the type of things bouchey describes in her deposition.
I feel very sad for these people because they are going to get what is coming to them on of these days and it aint going to be pretty.

Toni Natalie said...

Sorry for my poor English...would like to talk to you...if your willing? My email is ToniNatalie2011@gamail.com...

ghostdog said...

So John, what documents are left to be unsealed? These depositions are already 'non-confidential' and distributed to the media, so what else is under wraps? The rest of the "killer' tapes, other pieces of prosecutable info? More embarassing blow job pix, a glimpse of Toni Natalie's frozen dog, little creepers and nasty peepers, what?? Sorry, I'm only mildly obsessed with this part of the story, so I have not committed all of the lawsuits to memory... YET! Are you saying that anyone in litigation with NXVIUM should petition for full disclosure? Just curious, what is grinding in the steely blades of your Irish mind...

Anonymous said...

'Anonymous 7:52 PM' is a NXIVM-planted comment.

Suggesting that Raniere is involved in witchcraft, magic and the occult (something that has never, ever been mentioned before by anyone) is another transparent attempt by NXIVM and/or their lawyers to discredit this blog.

"People on that blog are accusing Keith of witchcraft and being an occultist! Everyone knows that's not true! You can't trust anything you read on that blog, it's just a cesspool of lies!"

Anonymous said...

@9:46 AM

I doubt it's a planted comment. According to Barbara's deposition, Raniere believes he's some sort of deity. These type of associations follow the loonies who found these cults. For example, Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. Hubbard himself was also accused of these type of dubious activities, so it wouldn't be shocking or surprising if this was the case here. It may not be true, but it just comes with the territory. It doesn't discredit this blog one iota.

THAT Bob said...

We all need to take a deep breath and stick to the facts. The facts, as John has shown us, are stranger than fiction. Rantings and unsubstantiated accusations only help Raniere and his band of crazies and their lawyers to undermine the credibility of critics. Let's try to stick to the facts and be civilized. As John has to admirably demonstrated, the facts are stranger than any fiction could ever be.

heh heh heh said...

Raniere's deified status is quite possibly completely manipulative. If you are mentally ill in such a way that you will do whatever it takes to have your "needs" (sex, power, money) met and to protect your fragile ego from even the remotest hint of criticism, falsely framing yourself as a "deity" works very well to accomplish those goals. It's like trying to argue with the bible - the word of god; if one accepts that a higher intelligence/higher power is speaking, one must also accept whatever is said as "truth" and "beyond one's lowly ability to understand". So intrinsic obedience to the "deity" results.

Raniere has spent decades working up to this deified persona. For decades he's been willing to lie shamelessly to procure what he wants - he's just refined and developed the lies over the years according to what produces the best results and what (he assumes) will prevent unwanted results (like the demise of CBI or girlfriends walking away before he's ready to be done with them).

Witchcraft, etc. wouldn't fulfill any of these goals for Raniere. That imples a "craft" that can be learned by others giving them the same power and authority as Raniere himself. It also implies a provable product (You cast a spell? Why didn't it work?); that is not as useful as a "deified" teacher where the blame for not succeeding (at enlightenment or unification or whatever nirvana state Raniere "espouses") is soley the responsibility of the student (i.e. you've taken the infamous FALL!).

I would hypothesize that Raniere's deified status is useful to him as either a tool to manipulate others or as a coping method to help him deal with his own mental aberrations. Or both. Who knows - probably only Vanguard himself. In any case, I think the little "god" needs the help of a mental health professional - if nothing else to prevent him from cutting a further swath of damage through the people around him. Frankly, I doubt much can be done to actually help him; personality disorders in the narcissistic-antisocial spectrum have a very poor prognosis for an actual cure.

Anonymous said...

His rather obvious thyroid problems will do him in long before the law will...

Anonymous said...

What is wrong with thyroid and what does thyroid have to do with Raniere being a sociopath ?

I'm confused can anyone explain ?

Sorry for my poor english said...

Toni, I just sent you an e-mail from a Google account.

My IP address is 1x8.6x.x8x.1xx (x are for 'I don't have the guts to copy-paste my IP address as is in this forum...' ;D )

For Steve Coffey Here's the NXIVM Connection to Events in Egypti said...

What would we know about NXIVM if Steve Coffey had his way?

Steve Coffey finds it really hard to understand what it means to people simply to be heard., especially for those who have been harmed by NXIVM. It is strengthening to speak and be heard, and to hear words of support in return. Steve Coffey will have none of that. Does not care one iota about those who have been harmed by this cult and in fact goes about his day inflicting more pain on those abused by Keith Raniere, Nancy Salzman and the Bronfman sisters.

Just as in Egypt, the internet has changed how Coffey is able to operate and he does not like it. Despots like Hosni Mubarak and Steve Coffey cannot do their cracking down as efficiently as they did before because of social media such as this blog.

It irritates the autocrat Steve Coffey that ordinary citizens are able to find information about NXIVM and report it. Same as in Egypt where tweets went out from people in the streets to report how Mubarak’s henchmen were going out paying anyone who would go into Tahrir Square to crack heads, we learned here that John and his family were being stalked for posting the truth about NXIVM. Intimidation is one of Steve Coffey's favorite tools.

Because information is being shared quickly and effectively now it has become necessary for despots like Mubarak to shut the Internet down entirely and get rid of all the journalists. How much easier it would be for Steve Coffey to hoodwink everyone without John’s blog, without any evidence contrary to the bold-faced lies Coffey keeps telling.

In Egypt protesters are taking their case not to governments or the official press but to their fellow citizens of the world via social media. As is John Tighe.

Because of Saratoga in Decline it is likely many will see NXIVM for what it is and not be tempted to fork over $2K–6K for a training followed by years of servitude to Keith Raniere’s ego.

We are very lucky that this blog is protected under the First Amendment. Any social medium where individuals can contact one another freely and quickly are providing an important curb against political and authoritarian abuse. That is what freedom of the press has always been about. The fact that individuals can get the word out so quickly provides insurance, against being lied to.

Whether this blog results in a complete end to the abuse Keith Raniere and Clare and Sara Bronfman continue to inflict on anyone who dares to say 'Enough,I want out of NXIVM' remains to be seen. But there is no doubt the effect of this blog has been positive in reducing the power of Keith Raniere. Just as social media in Egypt is reducing the power of Mubarak.

Because of John Tighe’s blog NXIVM lawyers, Robert Crockett and Steve Coffey are unable to rewrite the NIXIVM story for their own purpose and they are royally po’d about it.

Steve Coffey would like nothing better than to shut this blog down. He’d fit right in with Hosni Mubarak whose first act was to turn off the DNS servers in Egypt. But it is just not going to happen here.

Coffey is not used to hearing any voice but his own. He is a top down man. I speak you listen. Now many voices can be heard about NXIVM abuses. People are welcome to agree or disagree here, but they cannot shut other voices down.

This battle here has everything to do with events in Egypt Mr.Coffey. That history degree from Siena must be long forgotten.

Anonymous said...

For gods to be gods require fools to stand below them gazing upward.

Anonymous said...

-Knock knock.

-Who's there?

-Keith Raniere? Egypt.

Keith Raniere? Egypt who?

Keith Raniere? Egypt me out of my life savings!

Anonymous said...

To @3:51 thank you for the comparison of the activities of this blog to the protesters using social media in Egypt. Good job.

heh heh heh said...

@4:09 - nicely said. Luckily some of the fools eventually wise up.

@5:00 LOL!

Anonymous said...

Coffey and all the other lawyers LOVE this blog and LOVE John. Every post on here is money in the bank. They ain't stupid. They are sure all one hell of a lot smarter than Vanguard.

On another note.... wonder if Vanguard is watching the Super Bowl. I'd bet not. He just seems more like a "Glee" kinda person to me.